leeds chimp Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I could not give a flying fig if bills have top be paid or not 185 for the best part of a full weeks work is as has been said exploitation christ its nowt but a good pee up these days, I thought Lincoln abolished slavery. KW But as said before if benefits were not so high then working for a wage would be more appealing as mean more money in your pocket...then again what does it cost a week/month to "live"?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Fair play to you for wanting to work,thats the point i am trying to make is you are an employers dream. Seems not I know I haven't helped my case with few decent grades and no further education (just wanted to work) I am getting made redundant from the farm I work on and I am struggling like hell to get a job I am not picky, I would paint the white lines on an open road wirh a toothbrush if I had to. I try save to better myself but its no easy task I am determined though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 then again what does it cost a week/month to "live" This is the problem, when you get into the governments hands with benefits, with all the rights and legal stuff, the amount you need to live on is high. When you work its take it or leave it and you are on your own unless you fiddle the hours/earnings so you can get both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 basically partly because of poor wages and reliance on benefits to top it all up (if you qualify) pride in work has gone out of the window as most people seem to struggle to keep a family going or live on there own plus the fact job security is a thing of the past (fear of tribunals= short term contracts) society starts to crack at the edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 But as said before if benefits were not so high then working for a wage would be more appealing as mean more money in your pocket...then again what does it cost a week/month to "live"?? if wages were decent we would not need benefits so who is wrong,? I know which side I favour and its not the victorian slave labour camp who think £6.19 an hour is a "good deal" KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I could not give a flying fig if bills have top be paid or not 185 for the best part of a full weeks work is as has been said exploitation christ its nowt but a good pee up these days, I thought Lincoln abolished slavery. KW Really? £185 is what you would spend on a knees up? if wages were decent we would not need benefits so who is wrong,? KW Wouldn't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Really? £185 is what you would spend on a knees up? Wouldn't we? eh up a benefit receiver speaks remember your on benefit KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 eh up a benefit receiver speaks remember your on benefit KW Translation anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Think he really did spend his £185 on drink.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Think he really did spend his £185 on drink.... I concur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Dom Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 when i lost my job 4 years ago i went to the local job centre and was told as i had over 10,000 in savings there was nothing they could do, the woman then told me if i had nothing i would want for nothing so if thats not an incentive not to work i don't know what is. I'm now self employed (only drawback is you pay tax once a year instead of in stages over the year) and enjoy it better than being employed by someone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 and I dont care if you sit on your high branch in the tree of life looking down on me.....I am happy with life and what I have ...aslong as I have enough money to keep a roof over my head and food in my family belly that is all that I want... Some might want the latest gadget or the best of whatever...I use to be like that ..now I know that life is for living and enjoy it... Do you live to work?? or work to live??? I work when I can get it and often spend months without earning a penny. I don't apply for benefits though, because they largely don't apply to people who pay in to the system. I just live on my savings until some more work comes along and go shooting quite a bit I have to be very careful with my money generally but I can't complain about my situation and the wages are reasonable when I do pick up work, even though less than I was earning per hour 7 or 8 yrs ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) when i lost my job 4 years ago i went to the local job centre and was told as i had over 10,000 in savings there was nothing they could do, the woman then told me if i had nothing i would want for nothing so if thats not an incentive not to work i don't know what is. I'm now self employed (only drawback is you pay tax once a year instead of in stages over the year) and enjoy it better than being employed by someone else Once again the prudent, such as yourself, are penalised. If you'd been like Kdubya and ****** it up against a wall at £185 a pop you would be looked after! Edited January 16, 2013 by Laird Lugton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Once again the prudent, such as yourself, are penalised. If you'd been like Kdubya and ****** it up against a wall at £185 a pop you would be looked after! seeing as how I pay over 3 K a month tax I think 185 on a pee up is justified oh and I would rather my tax went to someone on benefit than to support a scumbag paying low wages KW Edited January 16, 2013 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) seeing as how I pay over 3 K a month tax I think 185 on a pee up is justified KW You high roller. Anyway it's vulgar to talk about how much you earn. Edited January 16, 2013 by Laird Lugton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Don't forget that the £6.19 that the company pays isnt the end of the story. The company also has to pay a tax and NI contribution for employees as well as paying to insure the individual, run payroll and all other aspects associated with them and some (soon all) will also have to pay into a pension for them. seeing as how I pay over 3 K a month tax I think 185 on a pee up is justified oh and I would rather my tax went to someone on benefit than to support a scumbag paying low wages KW Not the time, nor the place for comments like this surely? This isn't a bragging of shiny **** thread. EDIT - I see I picked up your quote pre-edit too! Edited January 16, 2013 by LondonLuke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Don't forget that the £6.19 that the company pays isnt the end of the story. The company also has to pay a tax and NI contribution for employees as well as paying to insure the individual, run payroll and all other aspects associated with them and some (soon all) will also have to pay into a pension for them. Not the time, nor the place for comments like this surely? This isn't a bragging of shiny **** thread. EDIT - I see I picked up your quote pre-edit too! it was not meant as brag it was a retort that probably came over bad KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 it was not meant as brag it was a retort that probably came over bad KW I think the phrase is "insensitive" but fair play to admitting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 it was not meant as brag it was a retort that probably came over bad KW Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 the day of the great british worker supporting his family and owning his own home are fading fast sadly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Indeed - the prudent get shafted. I fully expect to get no state pension even though I have paid more than my fair share into the system. I will be means tested out of everything, seen merely as a cash cow. As for a living wage. While nobody should live in poverty, everyone should have qualifications or a marketable skill when the leave school or further education. Society does not owe you a living if you have not made an effort to contribute back to society. Oh yes, be flexible too. You may well find work outside of your comfort zone, or in another part of the country. My 2p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Indeed - the prudent get shafted. I fully expect to get no state pension even though I have paid more than my fair share into the system. I will be means tested out of everything, seen merely as a cash cow. As for a living wage. While nobody should live in poverty, everyone should have qualifications or a marketable skill when the leave school or further education. Society does not owe you a living if you have not made an effort to contribute back to society. Oh yes, be flexible too. You may well find work outside of your comfort zone, or in another part of the country. My 2p same as me then...worked in Insurance and security for years then went travelling...came back and needed a job and took the first one I could till I got back to what i like doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Times are hard for us all. Unfortunately the competition of the bussnes is so fierce that the only way to get any reasonable profit margin is to rape you work force for it :( It's not changing any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Times are hard for us all. Unfortunately the competition of the bussnes is so fierce that the only way to get any reasonable profit margin is to rape you work force for it :( It's not changing any time soon. Or if you are a multinational you rape the taxman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) At minimum wage I'd expect some kind of training thrown in otherwise it's just another 'dead-end' job until the next one comes around, at least if there's some training thrown in it provides a way to work up the ladder and have some aspirations (pretty much how the old YTS worked), you need to remember at minimum wage there are other jobs (probably cleaner and easier) than what you're offering such as sales assistants etc. that usually offer better perks.. If you are willing to make a living (and lifestyle) out of other peoples labour then you also need offer something back in return, also take into account that depending where your premises are it may cost someone around £15 per day to work for you (travel and food). Deker Edited January 16, 2013 by Deker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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