keg Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Living in Leeds, i have just read that the HS2 line will generate 70,000 jobs. How do they work these numbers out? Can't see it. Would prefer if they improved and expanded the local infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Who will get the jobs...the French??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) You want to live round here, they are dead against it because of all the bridges that will need widening and the disruption that will cause. The Chiltern Line already goes from Marylebone to Birmingham. Only problem is its as slow as **** because it stops about twenty times on the way. So they are going to put another non stop track alongside it. Not really a big deal IMO. 70,000 jobs? Maybe while they are building it but if it was anything like the olympic site they will all be foreigners. Edited January 28, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridges Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Doesn't make sense. Create jobs nation wide and improve the economy by improving current infrastructure. It's currently a mess. £30bn could make a massive difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The 70,000 jobs are meant to be for Leeds alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 StopHS2 campaign manager Joe Rukin said: "Fifty-five percent of the economic benefits are based on the cash value of time, no-one works on trains and every business user is worth £70,000 a year - it's basically a train for the rich that everyone else is not only going to have to pay for the construction of but also have to subsidise throughout its lifetime as well." Ref: BBC News website. Rather £30billion or whatever its costing in making better efficient cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 the York branch will run slap bang through our shoot, may be problems, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I have just been checking it runs over the M6 about 3 mile from me thank xxxx we have just had a telegraph pole line put through and that was diverted i honestly thought it was for the train line it flattens some lovely property around here and does through some large shoots i wish it would flatten mine the compo they are talking about my luck would be to far away for compo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 the York branch will run slap bang through our shoot, may be problems, How much lead on a 200mph target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant Feeder Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Just looked at it and I know about 6 people who's land looks to be in its path. It is carving through some of the best unspoilt landscape around me. I suspect its going to be close enough to suffer all the disruption and mess whilst its being built, and hear the trains going past but not quite close enough to benefit in any form of compensation pay out. Story of my life. But then again by the time it gets up and running I'll be that old I wont be able to hear the bloody trains going past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Its just more rubbish from people who know that when it begins or ends they will be long gone earning their lecture tour millions or luxuriating in the family wealth. How can it be good for the economy when its paid for out of tax? A railway that gets you to birmingham 21 minutes quicker for 40billion, just have another coffee or do a puzzle to while away the time. Its just another olympics moment times ten. Vanity over realism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 The worst of HS2 is it will condemn millions of passengers to spend half an hour more of their lives in either London or Birmingham than would otherwise have been necessary. There can be no justification for such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) It won't start for years. There'll be several elections before then, so there is good chance that the next government or the next after that may stop it. I'm pretty sure UKIP are opposed to it. I read an article about how HS2 is going to destroy ancient woodlands, including at least one thought to have existed since the end of the last ice age. http://wtcampaigns.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/hs2-a-route-long-view/ http://wtcampaigns.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/hs2-a-view-from-the-woods-2/ Edited January 29, 2013 by Reece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Know what you mean Gimlet ... I am significantly more Brummie than yaou!. Rupert, use a heat seeker, no lead at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 any one know how to find out where the rail will run when its gets to toton near long eaton.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Who will get the jobs...the French??? I spent 4 years on HS1 fitting and commissioning switches and crossings. At one stage I was probably one of the UK's leading authorities on high speed S&C installation! Had we not joint ventured with French companies we would have never have completed on time as there was very little expertise in this field in the UK. I was quite anti french at the start of the project but by the end I had nothing but love and respect for them. A thoroughly professional bunch of chaps many of whom I'm still in touch with now. There was a bit of an issue with labour. The UK trackmen that we hired were used to working a few hours on possessions at the weekends and perhaps the odd full day during a blockade but when it came to putting in 10-12 hr days 6 days a week a high proportion just couldn't hack the work load and jacked. I never heard so much as a murmur from the numerous Poles, Lithuanians, Nigerians and Portugese that made up my gangs, they just got their heads down and got on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Do you think that is down to expectation Ack-Ack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I cannot ever recall hearing anybody say that they would not use a train because it was too slow? Too expensive,yes,and who are all these people that need to get over the Chilterns an hour faster than before and how will that hour benefit industry (what *****y industry?).How about we give the £33 Billion (and lets face it,its going to cost more than that) to the Armed forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 What it will do is bring to the midlands and the north the southern blight of dormitory villages and second homes. Rather than spread business north it will spread southern commuters north. If you were born in a village or small town within 20 miles of a proposed HS2 station, buy a house now, because you won't be able to when you become a surburb of London like the south west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 It won't start for years. There'll be several elections before then, so there is good chance that the next government or the next after that may stop it. I'm pretty sure UKIP are opposed to it. Indeed UKIP are opposed to it, the cost-benefit analysis is floored, if you've ever seen someone working with paper and a laptop on a train then you're either lying, or seeing things according to the pro groups as no one ever works on a train, instead they twiddle their thumbs and watch the scenery. I cannot ever recall hearing anybody say that they would not use a train because it was too slow? Indeed I personally would rather see anytime tickets at £20 to London and it takes 2 hours like the current time scale than see prices creep up to £££££ and take 1 hour. The bus company here (clowncil owned) buys brand new, dazzling busses every year. The vast majority doesn't give a **** about how new the busses are, they just want the fare to be as cheap as possible. Same with trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Do you think that is down to expectation Ack-Ack? No, its because I used to threaten them with a big stick every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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