hawkeye Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Ask Mark Bivvy about the silly old sow who feeds the local foxes and pays vets bills etc for the injured ones Thats just so he can shoot them easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 urgh. im so SICK of having to watch what i say. if it's not for risk of being sued or prosecuted for being politically incorrect..... it's losing work, and having your reputation ruined for perfectly legal, legitimate and necessary interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 omg That is horrible... I cant belive that she kicked off in that manor. Yeah, in that manor she should be used to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 I think the saddest thing about these people is the fact that because they disagree with something we do, they think they have the right to swear and be abusive towards us. If you can't put across your point without raising your voice, swearing and loosing your temper you have serious issues, these people often can't and its deeply sad. As has been said many times, these people are not animal lovers, they are people haters. To a man (or woman) you can probably trace this deviant behaviour back to some pivotal moment in their sad lives. The vast majority were not born like this, they were turned this way by some event, something that happened to them or something someone said to them. I think more should be done to help them with their obvious psychological problems, which amount to nothing more than worrying anti-human personality disorders. Next time you speak to an "anti" spare a thought for the pathetic sad individual behind the angry façade, they used to be people, once Does nobody see that by posting such comments ourselves that we are being no better than them and the way that they behave. We all agree on one thing and that the countryside needs to be cared, managed and looked after to be enjoyed by all in what ever way we see fit within the laws and regulations that are current. Personally I feel sorry for those people that hate us for shooting whether that be for food or for vermin control reasons. They have probably never lived in the country and never been bought up that way, but then again maybe they have and haven't liked what they've seen. There was a thread on here recently whereby somebody asked if our "Wifes" minded us going shooting, I seem to remember that there was more than one person who commented that they partners were vegetarian, but they still allowed them to go. Therefore not all vegetarians are anti's, it's just that they themselves do not see a need to kill or eat animals, that's their choice. So come on guys, don't allow yourselves to be lowered to the level of some people who believe that what we do is wrong. I know that until somebody tells me that all hunting, fishing and shooting is banned, I will carryon doing what I love and if I can help maintain that in any small way, I will. The words i have written doesn't mean that I will roll over and let people takeaway what I believe in, but I will not lower myself to their tactics. I believe the last time I looked this country was a democracy and that therefore people have the right to free speech and thought. All I say is "THINK BEFORE YOU ACT/SPEAK OR POST" because I'm starting to see comments that get my goat up, and I do shoot for food and vermin control as well as go fishing. Don't give them the ammo to attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 hmmm i dont agree. the majority of these posts were simply truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 hmmm i dont agree. the majority of these posts were simply truth. Darebear, I didn't say they weren't, but please do we need to resort to calling them all sorts of names, and assuming that we are in the right all the time just because they disagree with us and what we do and stand for. There are ways and means to avoid problems and charging head first with barrages like some of the ones above is not the answer, trust me I know. I have myself been face to face with a group of anti's both whilst fishing and also whilst watching the Hunting, to see the anger and venom at first hand is not something I would choose to do were it not for the fact that I love my sport. When faced with people like that, although it may be hard, is to answer them back armed with the correct knowledge and facts and figures, not to hurl abuse at them or to push them. That makes us as bad as them. A good point in case is if anybody saw Country file last Season (At Holkham Hall), at the end they had the Headkeeper, a spokesman from LACS, and I believe one from the RSPB debating the rearing and shooting of birds i.e Pheasants, partridges etc. The topic got heated and at no point did the Keeper raise or lose his temper, but calmly preceded to reply with FActs and figures and queried their facts and figures to the popint where both refused to answer questions posed because they didn't know the answers themselves. That is the sort of attitude we should all adopt, not one of ranting and raving and name calling, that's something we did when we were 7-8 and went to school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 at the end of the day, a spade is a spade. and if someone choses to behave like an idiot, i do not think in discussions amongst like minded people that referring to them as such, is bringing anyone down to 'their' level. rather than describe their short-sighted and often irrational perspectives and behaviours, calling them idiots rather sums them up well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 at the end of the day, a spade is a spade. and if someone choses to behave like an idiot, i do not think in discussions amongst like minded people that referring to them as such, is bringing anyone down to 'their' level. rather than describe their short-sighted and often irrational perspectives and behaviours, calling them idiots rather sums them up well. Lets not argue amongest ourselves for life is too short, but may I suggest "mis-informed" be used in this PC mad world as no doubt the politer anti's would call us. And yes I was being a tad ironic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 o goody. means i can go to bed and not declare war upon you. thought i was in for a night of debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 grr, no idea what happened there, nothing to see, move along I tried to remove the huge double quote as it looked rubbish, then it all went funny on me, and me supposedly working in IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 I'll assume those comments are not actually aimed at me, despite you quoting my entire post. Pin, Apologies, you are quite right, it is not aimed at you but everybody in general. (Still trying to work the damn thing properly ). No offense meant to you or any other member, what happened to chippy was bad,but even so we do make a rod for our own back on occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 I have to say it, no matter how jovially intended any "lets shoot the anti's" comment is, they will be taken out of context and used against us. Just my view, I know its an emotive subject but I agree with SS, we can't allow ourselves to be dragged down in this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 hmmm i dont agree. the majority of these posts were simply truth. Darebear, I didn't say they weren't, but please do we need to resort to calling them all sorts of names, and assuming that we are in the right all the time just because they disagree with us and what we do and stand for. There are ways and means to avoid problems and charging head first with barrages like some of the ones above is not the answer, trust me I know. I have myself been face to face with a group of anti's both whilst fishing and also whilst watching the Hunting, to see the anger and venom at first hand is not something I would choose to do were it not for the fact that I love my sport. When faced with people like that, although it may be hard, is to answer them back armed with the correct knowledge and facts and figures, not to hurl abuse at them or to push them. That makes us as bad as them. A good point in case is if anybody saw Country file last Season (At Holkham Hall), at the end they had the Headkeeper, a spokesman from LACS, and I believe one from the RSPB debating the rearing and shooting of birds i.e Pheasants, partridges etc. The topic got heated and at no point did the Keeper raise or lose his temper, but calmly preceded to reply with FActs and figures and queried their facts and figures to the popint where both refused to answer questions posed because they didn't know the answers themselves. That is the sort of attitude we should all adopt, not one of ranting and raving and name calling, that's something we did when we were 7-8 and went to school. Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdunny Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Ask Mark Bivvy about the silly old sow who feeds the local foxes and pays vets bills etc for the injured ones Lol we have a group of dogooders in Edinburgh catching city foxes and rehoming them in Fife, they let them go about 1/2 a mile from 1 of the farms I shoot on squeek sqeek BANG LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippy18 Posted October 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 I'll assume those comments are not actually aimed at me, despite you quoting my entire post. Pin, Apologies, you are quite right, it is not aimed at you but everybody in general. (Still trying to work the damn thing properly ). No offense meant to you or any other member, what happened to chippy was bad,but even so we do make a rod for our own back on occasions. I can understand what you saying in your post, but i cant understand how come we "sometimes make a rod for our own backs". This happened because i innocently mentioned that i shoot in exclamation to how i knew where this woman lived. I did not try and have a conversation with her on the merits of shooting. As someone said in their reply in this forum, what we all do is a legal pastime and we are not breaking any laws. Agreed this woman did not agree with what i do and of course this is her right, as is it my right to own a gun and enjoy my hobby. I never at any time tried to respond when she was abusing me, with any reply that that attacked her beliefs in fact i even apologised that i had upset her by letting slip that i would be down her way because of shooting. It would be a very sad world if everyone had the same opinions, but i believe that everybody should have the right to their own beliefs and that if people have strong beliefs about something they should be prepared to listen to both sides and not to abuse someone and threaten there livelihood. When i posted this it was out of surprise at this woman's reaction more than anything. Yes she made me angry with the abuse and the threats but i did not post it to abuse her. But in saying that i am not surprised or angry with the replies that people have made regarding this. Cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 So this bloke comes to give you a quote for some replacement windows and in conversation, tells you he is a member of the LACS, PETA, RSPCA and a few other Anti organisations. Does he get the job ? People ask what to do with a FOX carcass. Try hanging it round your door and have rabbits feet hanging in the window when one of the Above call and it won't be a QUOTE you get. Get it on a security camera and haul em up for a public order offence LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Someone wrote into the Scotsman in response to this: http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1523332006 with this: The Scottish parliament had the courage to face down the fox-hunting lobby. Let's hope it will not be too long before it starts to do similar to the factory farming industry and the breeding of pheasants, simply to satisfy the blood lust of people who have little regard for animal life. Or something along those lines and they also were outraged that the 15,000 chickens were slaughtered. They said something like animal farming is a holocaust for animals somehow leading to a massive cost to the tax payer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 I think this highlights the issue of 'townies/tree huggers' buying second homes in the country and not understanding the way of life, That's what's happened up or way, they come from down south, sold there homes when the propety market was booming, decide to move up north in the country, pay cash for the house with plenty to spare, & then have nothing else better to do than try & change the world the way they want it. BJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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