ROBLATCH Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 what are your views on this http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10189973.Region_s_hospitals_given_over___2m_for_putting_patients_on__death_pathway_/?ref=mmsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 In a word - Yes. And we all know what happens when financial incentives are offered to those who can make personal gain with bonuses out of company accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 nobody should do that kind of thing with out the relatives being aware. it certainly ultimately leads to a persons death then i guess it is a kind of euthanasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 mate of mine passed away yesterday in chester and friday the docs just told the staff make him comfortable and wait for him to pass........... nothing to do for him, but still not nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 This may be more formalised, and may have been given a name, but this "general" practise has been going on for a VERY long time, since 1988 at least to my knowledge, and very likely a long time before that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 After 30 years of MS, in serious pain and distress, being unable in any way to care for herself, my late wife was placed on this Pathway, with full consultation with the family, she passed away with dignity, which was more than the months of pain and torment she would have gone through otherwise. As has been said, consultation is the key thing, it should never be done without the patient/family consent. Obviously, if you can believe the daily rags, some doctors have NOT been doing this and they should be stopped, but it does not mean the Pathway is bad. In over 30 years of nursing, I saw many terminally ill patients suffering agony and unnofficial arrangements between them and the doctors to make the suffering easier, which usually 'shortens their life'. As Deckers said, this has gone on as long as medicine has been practiced, it is just given a name and a structure now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Seems that if you want your life to end with dignity! your not allowed to or have to go abroad as its deemed morally incorrect, however if they allow you to slowly die of dehydration IE of thirst thats ok? two faced so and so's of course it euthanasia, what a morally bankrupt pc left wing world we live in. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry90 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 If sumthing ever happens to me and im gona have a life that i dont want i just hope sumthing like this is around to do me in wether my famely like it or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 In a word - Yes. And we all know what happens when financial incentives are offered to those who can make personal gain with bonuses out of company accounts. Agreed, and also agree with you again KW! My religious upbringing is telling me that only god should decide but my common sense tells me that keeping someone alive in pain and suffering is also not right. I think only a person in that situation like Bloke can make that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 It is simply passive euthanasia as opposed to active euthanasia. To my mind if you agree with one then you agree with the other, and I know which one i'd choose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I for one hate this withdrawing treatment and or not feeding or giving someone water If someone dose not want to live or is near the end give them a good death do not drag it out and make people suffer just so that they can say that they did not kill them I think that life is to be enjoyed if you are not enjoying it end it full stop no heaven or hell just peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 If you withheld fluids and nutrition from an animal you would be prosecuted for cruelty. It's a [not so] funny old world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) The geriatric wards would be jammed solid with bed blockers if they didn't bump them off. The geri ward at our local hospital is known as Auchwitz. Call it what you like, its murder by any other name, The big question is how much is being done inappropriately for the benefit of the hospital rather than the benefit of the patient. There are so many cases where it has been used on people who weren't on deaths door, there is a lot of concern about it. Stories about the family realising whats happening and objecting, treatment being restored and the patient going on to make a full recovery http://www.telegraph...never-told.html Edited February 5, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think many posters are missing the point about the financial rewards being offered to hospitals to participate in the scheme. I have no problem with euthanasia is general. But when you start giving accountants rather than doctors the power to decide, that's where it gets uncomfortable for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I can see no reason to keep people alive just because they can there has to be a better reason than that or we would all live for ever as vegetables that may be alright for you but when my time is up I want to die not live on as a vegetable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Both my mum and dad died in the last year and both stopped drinking of their own accord very near the end, it seems to be a common indicator that the end is near. I wouldn't have withdrawn food or water under any circumstances as they are both part of a dignified death and an opportunity to demonstrate to somebody that they are still being cared for even if speech has left them. A drink is just a sip that freshens the mouth and relieves thirst though it does little or nothing to extend life. To withold drink especially is a harsh thing to do. Both their deaths came shortly after they recieved pain relief that we knew might contribute to their inevitable dying coming sooner. I fully approved of their pain relief which some would say was "euthansia" but would not have approved of withdrawing drink which I considered tlc and essential to their dignity. If our law makers would just show a bit of back bone and take this issue to the electorate I for one believe that we the public would vote for a clearer and more humane approach to end of life care. Most of us are not as squeemish or sentimental as the fear mongers of rampant euthanasia would have us beleive. Even capital punishment doesn't resort to starving and dehydration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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