syborg Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Hi folks. I recently bought a very old single barrel hammer action .410 shotgun. It has no makers name or visible serial number except "00"on the trigger body, hammer body and barrel release catch. These markings are only visible when the gun is completely in pieces. The chamber appears the measure 3 ins deep when a vernier is used. It looks very similar to an army and navy type 410 but lacks any engraving. It has some uneven marks inside the barrel but not suprising as it seems to be at least 70 yrs old. I can't post any pics up at the mo but the gun is very skinny and the foregrip is splinter type and the barrel starts hexagonal and gradually tapers to round. Does anyone have any idea what this gun could be? Cheers Syborg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Post some pictures when you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) finally sorted photobucket out...heres a couple of pics of the unknown 410.. Edited February 11, 2013 by syborg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) if anyone has any idea of the origins of this gun i would love to know.. i bought it for my daughter to learn to shoot. the barrels are quite marked inside with some mild pitting so of coarse i put a few 9 gram loads through it myself and all seems fine. ive stripped the gun down to bare components and cleaned and relubed all moving parts and reduced the original stock length by 2 inchs to her pull length. as i mentioned before, it has no apparent makers name or any serial numbers.,,,except "00" stamped on the internal components. eg trigger body, hammer body and barrel release leaver, these are only visible when the gun is in peices. she holds and mounts the gun very well for her age and has successfully sent a few flowerpots to the darkside free hand at about 25 yrds. so its just a case of getting her upper body strength up now ready for some swinging through of the clays.. many thanks in advance syborg.. Edited February 11, 2013 by syborg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I reckon that's a none discript Belgium folding 410. The bolt/nut instead of a hinge pin looks out of place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 fun gun, what did you pay for it if you dont mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I know what you mean about the nut, I've seen army and navy 410s the same.... It doesnt fold tho; it opens as far as a normal gun. As it goes I got this gun and a Spanish sbs 12g in very good condition for £30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Any advances on belgium origin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I have one the same. As said, just some Belgian nondescript .410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Almost certainly Belgian. A lot of these were sold mail order from adverts in the newspapers of the day. A grand old gun, if only it could talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 That's good news but can someone please give me a rough date of manufacture. I'm Curious as the gun that originally came With this was a 12g sbs scotcher made In bury St Edmunds in about 1908... These were I believe aquired when an old local fen boy passed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markhoward13 Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) Looking at the stock shape and patterns it looks the same as my sxs which is a el faisan eloo bar espana. Hope this helps. Mark Edited February 11, 2013 by markhoward13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Looking at the stock shape and patterns it looks the same as my sxs which is a el faisan eloo bar espana. Hope this helps. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 That's good news but can someone please give me a rough date of manufacture. I'm Curious as the gun that originally came With this was a 12g sbs scotcher made In bury St Edmunds in about 1908... These were I believe aquired when an old local fen boy passed away. Excuse the slight stray off topic but I also had a Scotcher, Moyes Hall museum bought it from me for their collection. Apparently it was a Thomas Norfolk gun finished by Scotcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 On the barrel flat's under the breech area there should be proof marks that could date it also where the barrel closes into the action there should be the same mark's, Many many thousands of gun's were made in belgum and shipped all over the world most with no makers name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 It's nice to know she's a fairly decent gun, the barrels are quite rough inside but my cleaning kit should be here soon so I,ll give it a really good clean to see the extent. If all seems reasonable I will use light loads and ensure Ppe is used. I have noticed the ends of the cartridges are quite burnt and look sort of melted. Where it needs longer cartridges or not I'm nor sure. The chambers measure a knats whisker under 3 ins so not 100% if 2ins carts would work as well. Regards Syborg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Have a look at this site it's dedicated to the 410. http://www.fourten.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 It's nice to know she's a fairly decent gun, the barrels are quite rough inside but my cleaning kit should be here soon so I,ll give it a really good clean to see the extent. If all seems reasonable I will use light loads and ensure Ppe is used. I have noticed the ends of the cartridges are quite burnt and look sort of melted. Where it needs longer cartridges or not I'm nor sure. The chambers measure a knats whisker under 3 ins so not 100% if 2ins carts would work as well. Regards Syborg as already mentioned look under the barrel for the proof stamps, they will be there, you should see something like ......... 65/10.4 usually in a circle (ish) .....this will be cartridge size in mm and bore size in mm, so cartridge size wise 65mm would be 2 1/2 inch, 76mm would be 3 inch and 50mm two inch, no need to worry about bore size that would be used for check to see if it was in proof, or to give a guide how much could be honed / polished out to remove pitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Cheers Paul, I,ll have another look tonight My cleaning kit arrived yesterday and I gave her a really good thorough brushing and mopping. She was filthy!! I must of pushed through about 20 rag squares before the black muck ran clear. Then I sent the mop through with a nice light dose of bisley gun oil. I had a good look up the barrel and there Is some mild pitting near the chamber end but all in all she looks in pretty good shape. I also gave the tarnished barrel a good going over with some medium wire wool to get rid of the rusty coating. Next on the list is to sort out some over sized machine screws that stick out more than I would like and to do something with the hinge pin bolt. As the wear is minimal I may just skim the rough sawn finish and polish back flush.. Regards Syborg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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