Organ donation and the B.M.A idea

[JonathanL]

So are the BMA going to send me a letter with said box to tick NO or is this something i've got to of out of my way to aquire just to be able to retain what's already mine ?

 

There are numerous ways in which it can be done; through tax papers and NI numbers everyone gets when they are 16, on voting registration papers, on any official paperwork you might get. Any time you visit your doctor you could be given the form. The NHS has just sent consent forms to everyone asking whether its ok to computerise their medical records so it could have been on that which, by the way, was an opt-out scheme.It's hardly a difficult thing to administer.

 

J.

[JonathanL]

Mate I belong to me dead or alive ! .

 

So tick 'NO' then. Hardly a great prolem, surely?

 

And, for the record, no you don't 'belong' to you once you are dead. You already cannot, for instance, legally stipulate how your body is dealt with after death. If you state in your will that you want to be cremated there is no legal method to enforce that so if whomever deals with you wants to stick you in the ground they can do. Actually, you can already be used for organ donation even if you aren't on the register and even if everyone knows that you were strongly against it. With an opt out system then there would be a legal protecting to make sure that you got what you wanted so you would actually have more say over how your body was dealt with if you had ticked the 'no' box.

 

J.

[lumpy]

There are numerous ways in which it can be done; through tax papers and NI numbers everyone gets when they are 16, on voting registration papers, on any official paperwork you might get. Any time you visit your doctor you could be given the form. The NHS has just sent consent forms to everyone asking whether its ok to computerise their medical records so it could have been on that which, by the way, was an opt-out scheme.It's hardly a difficult thing to administer.

 

J.

 

So in a nutshell it IS something i'm going to have to deal with then ! and i hate to be the one to tell you but medical records have been computerised for a number of years now.

[JonathanL]

So in a nutshell it IS something i'm going to have to deal with then ! and i hate to be the one to tell you but medical records have been computerised for a number of years now.

 

Some weren't and there was a new central computer system recently which was why the forms were sent out. It was all over the news.

 

Yes, you will have to 'deal' with it but the whole undertaking involves ticking a box on a form your will be dealing with anyway. It's such a small task that it's essentially insignificant.

 

Also, like I have pointed out, you have no actual power at the moment to dictate what happens to you after death. If you had to tick 'no' and that were legally binding then it actually results in the individual having more power over their body than they did previously.

 

J.

[lumpy]

Some weren't and there was a new central computer system recently which was why the forms were sent out. It was all over the news.

 

Yes, you will have to 'deal' with it but the whole undertaking involves ticking a box on a form your will be dealing with anyway. It's such a small task that it's essentially insignificant.

 

Also, like I have pointed out, you have no actual power at the moment to dictate what happens to you after death. If you had to tick 'no' and that were legally binding then it actually results in the individual having more power over their body than they did previously.

 

J.

 

1. Every treatment you have had in recent years will have been entered on a computer somewhere !

 

2. Regardless of how small the task may be it still has to be done by me therefore it is very significant whether you see it that way or not !

 

3. there has been various successful law suits over the years regarding organs being taken without consent !

 

Therfore my conclusion is your comments on this subject should be taken with a pinch of salt because they clearly bear no fact's whatsoever !

Edited February 17, 2013 by lumpy

[njc110381]

I can see the logic behind this. There must be millions of people out there who aren't on the donor register simply because they can't be bothered to do it and don't care! Why not make use of them? I agree with the my body is mine thing, of course that should always be your right. But to think that people in their twenties are dying because some stinking dole scrounger who couldn't give a monkeys about society hasn't been bothered to opt in is just so sad!

 

When I die I'll be a free for all. Take what you want and burn the rest - chop me up and use me to lessen the burden on the food bill at the zoo for all I care!

 

I cannot get my head around how anyone could sit back and allow another person to die because they want to keep themselves intact after death? That to me feels far more disrespectful than being put on an automatic donor system. Of course everyone is entitled to be treated however they want, but that is my view on the situation. I also believe what JonathanL is saying - if you opt out then don't expect any help from the donor system! Or perhaps a better way would be if you do get help it's on the condition that you pass on the favour later?

[JonathanL]

1. Every treatment you have had in recent years will have been entered on a computer somewhere !

 

I didn't say that it hadn't been. The NHS, however, recenty send out consent documents relating to their new system so there was clearly a legal consent issue there. Do a search if you don't believe me.

 

2. Regardless of how small the task may be it still has to be done by me therefore it is very significant whether you see it that way or not !

 

Fair enough. Psychologically it may be highly significant to some people. In time and effeort though it is as close to nothing as you can get.

 

3. there has been various successful law suits over the years regarding organs being taken without consent !

 

There have ben a very small number of suits in very specific cases where samples have been taken or retained without permission. I think that most, if not all of these relate to children, not adults. The fact remains that you have no legal means by which to dictate how your remains may be used or disposed of at present. You cannot, for instance, insist that your organs be made available for donation. If the opt-out system were introduced then you would have more rights than you do now as yoru organs could not be used if you ticked the 'no' box.

 

J.

[Pole Star]

Ok put it another way , you are out of the country with your wife & you get a sudden phone call no body ever wants !.

Your beautiful 18 year old daughter has been killed in a car crash ! a broken neck otherwise she is untouched ! you rush off to the air port in grief .

The plane has a bit of a delay at long last you get home then more delays & you get to the hospital at last ! . You ask to see your daughter & you are taken to the Chapel of rest & you are then told sorry you cant see her as we have harvested her organs ! oh ! & her face was a perfect match for a a face transplant for a patient on the waiting list ! .

Possible under the BMA idea the system we have is ok & I say dont change it !>

 

[Diceman]

And what if your beautiful 18 year old daughter could have been saved by a transplant but none were available because the perfect donor who died in the drivers seat had opted out because she hadn't got around to getting a donor card? Or worse, had opted out because for some reason she thought she would have more use for her organs after death than a beautiful 18 year old with a good chance of surviving?

 

In your scenario I would gladly sacrifice a last chance to see her in return for the knowledge that she had saved numerous other lives.

[Pole Star]

Thats your choice if you want your daughter harvester but i promise you it would not be every ones . The system as it stands gives us all a choice & that is what it is all about .

[Diceman]

November 2012: 7593 people waiting for a donor in the UK. But as you say, your choice to deny them all a chance to live.

[JonathanL]

Ok put it another way , you are out of the country with your wife & you get a sudden phone call no body ever wants !.

Your beautiful 18 year old daughter has been killed in a car crash ! a broken neck otherwise she is untouched ! you rush off to the air port in grief .

The plane has a bit of a delay at long last you get home then more delays & you get to the hospital at last ! . You ask to see your daughter & you are taken to the Chapel of rest & you are then told sorry you cant see her as we have harvested her organs ! oh ! & her face was a perfect match for a a face transplant for a patient on the waiting list ! .

Possible under the BMA idea the system we have is ok & I say dont change it !>

 

She's 18. It's nothing to do with anyone but her.

 

J.

[JonathanL]

Thats your choice if you want your daughter harvester but i promise you it would not be every ones . The system as it stands gives us all a choice & that is what it is all about .

 

Not being funny but this doesn't actually make sense. I have no idea what you mean.

 

J.

[aris]

They need to change the rules a bit too and be a bit more flexible to the wishes of the donating family. For example, say your son/daughter is in need of a transplant, and you die in a car crash. You would think that your son/daughter would get first dibs on your organs - not only because they are your son/daughter, but because you are HIGHLY likely to be a genetically compatible. But no - you can't. They have 'rules' which state the organs go to the first compatible person on the waiting list (this has actually happened).

 

Also - can you select which organs can be harvested? I.e. your eyes, veins, your face, hands, legs. Who knows what kinds of transplants they will be doing in the future.

[fergie]

I think a few of you may change your mind if you are ever on either end of this situation at 24 years old and being in the army since I was 17, I had to say my final farewells to my 2 year old daughter , my wife, my parents, my twin brother, my two sisters and other close family explaining where i would like to be berried. I had been told that I only had around 24 hours left i.e if they didn't find me a heart with in the next 24 hours then that was it for me.

 

 

As you can tell due to me typing this I was one of the luckiest people in the world that day although not without its complication. I also carried on serving in the army for a further 7 years

 

I have done a lot of hard things in my time, however nothing will ever come close as saying goodbye to your child and trying to explain that she will never see me again.

allot of this could be stopped if there wasn't so many people that say I will do it the 6 months down the line still no further in to registering for organ donation.

I understand I might have a different view on this to others. I hope that no-one ever has to go through what I did.

 

Please also note that organs have to be of a blood match, Tissue match and come from someone roughly the same size as the recipient.

[castletyne]

Anyone who opts out should also be refused an organ transplant

[Blobby]

If not enough are being donated then maybe its the public's wishes Donor cards have been on offer for years so if you wish to carry one then by all means do that's not a problem .

People are generally, by design, Lazy, or forgetful, so dont bother to register, my wee brother had a heart transplant aged 18 but now, as a result of all the anti rejection drugs, needs a kidney transplant as he has to have five hours dialisis three times a week.

There are millions of perfectly good organs being burnt or burried every year, and I personally feel that a doctor having to ask family members if the could harvest organs, must be the worst job in the world.

[Diceman]

Fergie - wow. I think that post pretty much puts a tin hat on the debate.

[JonathanL]

I see that the Welsh Assembly is debating this very thing today.

 

J.

 

Edited: smelling correction!

Edited July 2, 2013 by JonathanL

[unapalomablanca]

I see that the Wels Assembly is debating this very thing today.

 

J.

you have one hell of a memory, being able to go back to february to retrieve threads, which are in the news today

[Pole Star]

Only a few weeks ago on the national news there was coverage of the major advances in the development of growing artificial organs which hopefully will end the shortage . Any one see remember that report ? it was very interesting .

[kdubya]

my late son in law died in his early thirties whilst waiting for a heart/lung transplant, he was "second on the list" twice had it been an opt out system he may be still be alive, if you want out opt out if you cant be ***** to bother then tough your in.

 

KW

[welsh1]

my late son in law died in his early thirties whilst waiting for a heart/lung transplant, he was "second on the list" twice had it been an opt out system he may be still be alive, if you want out opt out if you cant be ***** to bother then tough your in.

 

KW

The state does not have a right to tell me what to do with my body.

Have a read of the thread,i have given various reasons why we should not go down this road.

 

The way forward is education and making it the done thing so more volunteer,the government can spend vast amounts of money on rubbish when they want you to accept something, well they should do the same with organ donation.

[GingerCat]

I would be dead, I don't need it anymore take what you like. No good looking pretty in a coffin.

[JonathanL]

The state does not have a right to tell me what to do with my body.

Have a read of the thread,i have given various reasons why we should not go down this road.

 

The way forward is education and making it the done thing so more volunteer,the government can spend vast amounts of money on rubbish when they want you to accept something, well they should do the same with organ donation.

 

The state does, whether we like it or not. As I pointed out further up the thread, it isn't your body when you are dead as you have no power over it and you cannot dictate, even now, what happens to it. And, to be realistic, it makes no difference to you what is done with it because you don't exist any more.

 

From a pragmaic point of view; why should the state waste so much money educating people to the benefits of organ donation when all it needs to do is to inform people that if they don't like it all they need to is tick the 'no' box?

 

J.

Edited July 2, 2013 by JonathanL