sitsinhedges Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 The trouble with people voting UKIP is its taking votes away from the Conservatives predominantly. So in effect it becomes a default vote for labour. And we don't want those *I****** back in power, I don't think the country could stand it. Well when the conservatives start being worth voting for maybe people will act accordingly. Currently all main political parties are a shower of **** with their collective heads in the clouds. I so despise camoron for the damage he has done to the tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 The number of University places quoted is the number of funded subsidised places available, although students pay fees government still funds part, not a limit on how many people can actually be at university! For example on my course there was 12 places available, as in the uni had funding available from government for 12 students, we also had 40 odd lads from Kuwait where the uni had a partnership with a college, most of those lads firms were paying for them to be here, it didn't matter how many kuwaittees were there paying 3 times as much as us there was still only 12 places! Indian Students don't take the place of UK students, infact the more Indian students the more money into Unis etc (Overseas students pay about 3 times what uk students pay). Higher education is one of this countries best products, and bring alot of foreign money in, Yes the visa system for students needs to be properly regulated, and does need to improve, but if people are coming to study at proper unis and spent their rupees here lets take their money. This is the right answer and in fact Cameron may well be helping to save our universities and create a new industry in effect. Even when I was at university because of the one I went to we had lots of foreign students, all were paying handsomely for the priviledge and due to that the University had some very good facilities. With that they employ lecturers from the Uk and all the facilities etc contribute to the economy, so while on the outside its set to get the uneducated knickers in a twist there isn't any reason Pretty much everything that i was going to say. Think about how many British born students from all backgrounds, go to uni with a grant, don't work and live off student loans. Consume the most part of their loan in alcohol or going out. Drop out and have no intention on paying their student loans or grants back, that percentage is far higher than of the foreign students that have paid to be here and have dropped out... Such a major drain on our universities. If some foreign student has the funds upfront and are willing to pay, let them crack on with it. If we don't take their money, someone else will. They pay triple and ensure we keep a world class stage in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I dont know who does go around reporting everything? Who mentioned anything about reporting everything? Who asked your opinion anyway? No I didn't report it, its a well known thing round here about the 'Indian builders' we are only about six miles from Southall. Nothing gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) No I didn't report it, its a well known thing round here about the 'Indian builders' we are only about six miles from Southall. Nothing gets done. i used to live in perivale many years ago. We got out as many have. Edited February 19, 2013 by unapalomablanca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 The trouble with people voting UKIP is its taking votes away from the Conservatives predominantly. So in effect it becomes a default vote for labour. And we don't want those Wayne Kerrs back in power, I don't think the country could stand it. Not necessarily true. It will be interesting to see some polls closer to the next election though. In my opinion the biggest fault with UKIP is that they appear to be a one man show. They need an effective and vocal shadow cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Not necessarily true. It will be interesting to see some polls closer to the next election though. In my opinion the biggest fault with UKIP is that they appear to be a one man show. They need an effective and vocal shadow cabinet. A one man show is far better than a no man show.. Remember churchill? He was a one man show with the right charisma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I dont know who does go around reporting everything? Who mentioned anything about reporting everything? Who asked your opinion anyway? just a bit of forum banter mate among the many unsolicited opinions on a forum offence was not intended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 just a bit of forum banter mate among the many unsolicited opinions on a forum offence was not intended ok. forgiven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 A one man show is far better than a no man show.. Remember churchill? He was a one man show with the right charisma. I hope you're not seriously comparing Farage with Churchill? Anyway do you really think UKIP would try to reduce trade and business links with India? Any political party with even the feeblest grip on reality would do the same. I've never voted for the tories but once in a blue moon they do do a sensible thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 A one man show is far better than a no man show.. Remember churchill? He was a one man show with the right charisma. Winston churchill? He was also conservative.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 The trouble with people voting UKIP is its taking votes away from the Conservatives predominantly. So in effect it becomes a default vote for labour. And we don't want those Wayne Kerrs back in power, I don't think the country could stand it. That may well be so but voting tactically out of fear is a betrayal of democracy. Vote positively for what you believe in, anything else corrodes the concept of representatinal politics and hands politicians a mandate to treat voters with contempt. They do enough of that already, because we let them get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I hope you're not seriously comparing Farage with Churchill? Anyway do you really think UKIP would try to reduce trade and business links with India? Any political party with even the feeblest grip on reality would do the same. I've never voted for the tories but once in a blue moon they do do a sensible thing. No i am not comparing the two, just saying that a 'big' front man in any show is crucial. Surely you knew what i was getting at! Winston churchill? He was also conservative.... Started as a liberal then did a swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 ukip one more here Another vote for UKIP here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 No i am not comparing the two, just saying that a 'big' front man in any show is crucial. Surely you knew what i was getting at! Started as a liberal then did a swap. True but t apps to be just him. Eeds a shadow cabinet f he wants to be taken seriously. He also needs to start looking like something other than a one issue party if he wants typical voters to ote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 True but t apps to be just him. Eeds a shadow cabinet f he wants to be taken seriously. He also needs to start looking like something other than a one issue party if he wants typical voters to ote for them. The way i see it is that someone needs to break this cycle of worse than mediocre rubbish we are given, give this farage a leap of faith, let him and his party build momentum and then see. Remember he quit the tory party in disgust over maastricht, he puts his money where his mouth is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 A one man show is far better than a no man show.. Remember churchill? He was a one man show with the right charisma. A one man show with one policy, everything else doesn't get much thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 The way i see it is that someone needs to break this cycle of worse than mediocre rubbish we are given, give this farage a leap of faith, let him and his party build momentum and then see. Remember he quit the tory party in disgust over maastricht, he puts his money where his mouth is! Quite agree, which is why I've joined UKIP. Been a Conservative all my life but there's no point waiting for a bus that's being driven in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 unless something changes between now and voting time i think it will be a ukip vote for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 It's really going to show the alternative when labour get in again next time. Every vote for ukip is effectively one for them, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) It's really going to show the alternative when labour get in again next time. Every vote for ukip is effectively one for them, While Cameron remains in charge a vote for the Conservatives is also a vote for Labour, or rather New Labour, because Cameron is pursuing the policies of Blair. He falls over himself to occupy the 'centre ground' or the Left as it used to be called, to appear modern and fashionable and, so he believes, electable. He is an urban Europhile and a trickster. His natural home is in the Lib Dem party. Let UKIP split the Tory vote. We are living under a Labour government anyway. Edited February 20, 2013 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 We are living under a Labour government anyway. Its not that bad, I wouldn't trust Milliband and Balls to run a branch of KFC in a small provincial town. They are both Brownites and they are both plonkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 The fundamental is a labour government would be trying to spend its way out of this mess, Cameron has the lib dems round his neck so is limited on what he can do but generally I'd think he is actually doing the right things, bearing in mind where things were when he took over and the global economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 The fundamental is a labour government would be trying to spend its way out of this mess, Cameron has the lib dems round his neck so is limited on what he can do but generally I'd think he is actually doing the right things, bearing in mind where things were when he took over and the global economy. are they really any better now? all i see is more and more shops closing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Who might win the next election is pretty much up in the air now. 1) Conservatives aren't being conservative - as has been pointed out, they have the lib dems around their neck. 2) Lib dems may well lose a lot of support. Their traditional supporters are disillusioned. Not surprising as their policies were fanciful and only realistic in the minds of a party outside of government. 3) Labour - I don't think people have forgotten the last bout of Labour - and many traditional supporters are only realising now what a mess they left behind. There are many traditional labour voters who have been adversely affected by immigration. Ed Milliband isn't exctly what i'd call electable either. Saying that though, there will always be Labour die hards who would vote for them. 4) UKIP - no chance of being in government, but would not be surprised if they got an MP or two and if their mantra shifts the policies of all the other parties to a more eurosceptic one. In some respect that is already happening - there will be an EU referendum apparently (though we've heard that before). I suspect we'll see another big split in the next election. It is no secret that the Lib Dems are on speaking terms with Labour. If the next government is a Labour/LibDem coalition - God help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Saying your not going to vote, in my opinion atleast, gives you no valid basis you a complaint regarding the next government. Also I never said that you complained about this one. Bull..... Give us something to vote for. I'm not voting for any knobtwit just to vote. if i dont agree with what they have to say then im not voting, simples.. so i cant moan about the cr4p that others have voted in? he he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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