955i Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I think more effort should be put into using wave platforms and river turbines as a resource. We are not short of water and it never stops moving. Can be done so its un-noticeable or at least blends into the landscape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) The bit about they don't work or supposed to do. I work for Nissan (NMUK) @ Sunderland and are plant has about 10+ and they take a huge amount of the power bill away. So much so they are planning on investing in more to help run the battery plant (makes the batteries for leaf) for me its about balance. Yes, but when the wind isn't blowing the plant has a guaranteed supply from the grid. If you're trying to supply the grid you need back up for when the wind isn't blowing. When there's a small amount of wind provision there's usually enough backup available to do this. If you increase the amount of wind provision you reach the point where there isn't enough backup available. You then have to build 100% conventional backup for whatever wind power you're installing, or the lights _will_ go out. At this point you're ******* money away building both, you might as well just build cheaper more efficient conventional power stations. One reason wind is adopted is the massive amount of subsidy that's pumped into the system, it's a way for wealthy landowners to pocket £££ in subsidys. Many of the current government that are promoting 'renewables' have positions on the boards of renewable companies. The whole thing makes me Nial. Edited March 12, 2013 by Nial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) I do think there is better forms, a few lads at work have solar panels and reckon they are great. One lad has a app on his phone so he can turn on/off different devices when he's not there during the day when he's getting free electric. Again the only thing that makes these at all practical is the massive over payment for the electricity that they generate, that the rest of us are paying for. If they were paid the going rate for what they produce they'd never pay for themselves. I think more effort should be put into using wave platforms and river turbines as a resource. We are not short of water and it never stops moving. Can be done so its un-noticeable or at least blends into the landscape. No. It's hard to comprehend the generation density that's required to supply the country with power. Nial. Edited March 12, 2013 by Nial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXI KARL IXI Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I believe Nissan have 9 working wind turbine's vesta 0.65 MW hour jobs, that should be good for about 8 or 9% of Nissan,s needs, a help but not the answer, wind is innefiecient expensive and unreliable, clean coal (yes it can be done) and nuclear is the way forward. KW How did you come up with 8-9% just out of interest? I know the 6 where bought for a cost 1.1million which covered 7% of plant power which could power around 2500 homes constant. If 2500 homes spent on average £80 pm on electric that's £200000 a month over a year £2400000 more than initial out lay, I know running costs are involved as well. Food for thought that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 whats this would be? had we not kept devaluing the pound (quantitative easing) we would already be bankrupt but its only a matter of time for our beyond repair economy,wont be long till you dont get your wage, pension, savings etc then when you cant pay your way its time to get the tent out, not a nice scenario but one that is coming. sleep tight KW It's not just us Keith.. The only way out of the global debt mess is a sustained period of hyperinflation... Not a nice thought but there is no way to reduce the debt burden in any other way, austerity measures won't stop debt increasing and the speed of the increase is exponential... There's no way back from this one as far as I can see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yes, but when the wind isn't blowing the plant has a guaranteed supply from the grid. If you're trying to supply the grid you need back up for when the wind isn't blowing. When there's a small amount of wind provision there's usually enough backup available to do this. If you increase the amount of wind provision you reach the point where there isn't enough backup available. You then have to build 100% conventional backup for whatever wind power you're installing, or the lights _will_ go out. At this point you're ******* money away building both, you might as well just build cheaper more efficient conventional power stations. One reason wind is adopted is the massive amount of subsidy that's pumped into the system, it's a way for wealthy landowners to pocket £££ in subsidys. Many of the current government that are promoting 'renewables' have positions on the boards of renewable companies. The whole thing makes me Nial. Turbines don't work in low wind and have to be switched off if its too strong, so only work a small percentage of the time. Owing to this, power stations have to keep running at full capacity as the cost of shutdown and restart is too high. Wind power is a con. The government were told to be seen to be environmentally friendly so in true fashion they chose the biggest (visible), most environmentally unfriendly and basically bloody useless example they could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 nothing is being done about the need for future generation on a scale that this country needs , i fear dark nights approaching . if the lights do go out can you imagine the uproar from the playstation generation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 No. It's hard to comprehend the generation density that's required to supply the country with power. Nial. Afraid your reply doesn't really make sense to me. What do you mean by just 'no'? You don't like the idea of hydro/not workable (cos turbines work dead well!!). Hard to comprehend generation density, try me, I'm educated and there is a hell of a lot of moving water in the seas and rivers that could be tapped. Not saying it would be a replacement, but sure small villages and towns with nearby rivers could provide all the power they needed and move off the grid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 There is only one solution to energy security. Build nuclear power stations. Opponents of nuclear power are tilting at windmills. Problem is there is a finite amount of uranium out there and not as much as you wold think.. The reserves are in worse shape than oil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXI KARL IXI Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yes, but when the wind isn't blowing the plant has a guaranteed supply from the grid. If you're trying to supply the grid you need back up for when the wind isn't blowing. When there's a small amount of wind provision there's usually enough backup available to do this. If you increase the amount of wind provision you reach the point where there isn't enough backup available. You then have to build 100% conventional backup for whatever wind power you're installing, or the lights _will_ go out. At this point you're ******* money away building both, you might as well just build cheaper more efficient conventional power stations. One reason wind is adopted is the massive amount of subsidy that's pumped into the system, it's a way for wealthy landowners to pocket £££ in subsidys. Many of the current government that are promoting 'renewables' have positions on the boards of renewable companies. The whole thing makes me Nial. I don't think I said that's all the plant is run off, I just said it takes a chunk off the lecky bill. People don't like the look WT so people say it ****. Look at other countries that use wind power top three are china, USA and Germany if its that bad why are they doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) UKIP present... Edited March 12, 2013 by Wharf Rat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Above is the tagline "Boosting immigration unwise, when UK youth face job shortage" If we boost immigration there will be competition for jobs and the better person will get the job. If immigration was such a widespread problem and UKIP were such a tasty choice then the employers would choose their own surely and it certainly isn`t happening here, the farms are full of EU labourers, why aren`t "our" youth filling these places? Because the eu labourers offer better value for money nothing more... They are willing to work for longer for less doing the things others would rather not.. Take away that option for employers and the job market would open up for uk nationals.. It is more often then not about cost rather than quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXI KARL IXI Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Also don't trust a party whose poster boy was killroy silk :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) No he called himself a christian, he did not say he only had christian values, very different things and certainly not compatible. Henry... You are sadly behind the times.... Probably where being gay meant you were happy! The meaning of words and terms changes.... Being Christian is, for many a cultural badge rather than a religious badge as is being Muslim.. It can also be used as either a noun or an adjective.. It is in the latter form to which I refer.. Perhaps my grammar is at fault... 'Christian' as opposed to 'a Christian' I can see there is a difference there Therefore it is quite possible to be Christian without believing in god Edited March 12, 2013 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Henry... You are sadly behind the times.... Probably where being gay meant you were happy! The meaning of words and terms changes.... Being a Christian is, for many a cultural badge rather than a religious badge as is being a Muslim.. Therefore it is quite possible to be a Christian without believing in god so your saying he is not the messiah just a very naughty boy? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 So to tie together the threads unpicked so far: immigration is out of control, debt is out of control, politicians if they ever had it have lost control, and the lights are going to go out. The solution offered by Labour and the Tories, is borrow more, increase immigration, surrender political autonomy and erect wind turbines. Thank God for Ed, Dave and little George. Where would we be without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 so your saying he is not the messiah just a very naughty boy? KW Nail on head Keith lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 So to tie together the threads unpicked so far: immigration is out of control, debt is out of control, politicians if they ever had it have lost control, and the lights are going to go out. The solution offered by Labour and the Tories, is borrow more, increase immigration, surrender political autonomy and erect wind turbines. Thank God for Ed, Dave and little George. Where would we be without them. thank god for Geoffrey Bungle Zippy and George more like. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 is bungle a general term for politician? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 totally agree,,my eldest daughter was studying as a neurologist and has been for 9 years in uni and hospitals, she finally finished her degree,s last year, she had become a workaholic, getting a job in this country for her,,NO CHANCE, there are thousands of perfectly qualified medical students whom have passed their degree,s with flying colors that cannot get work here because there are no positions,just take a walk through any of our hospitals and you will not see many if any british doctors names on the walls,,correct me if i,m wrong but i know i am not Don't write it on here, send it to your local MP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Henry... You are sadly behind the times.... Probably where being gay meant you were happy! The meaning of words and terms changes.... Being Christian is, for many a cultural badge rather than a religious badge as is being Muslim.. It can also be used as either a noun or an adjective.. It is in the latter form to which I refer.. Perhaps my grammar is at fault... 'Christian' as opposed to 'a Christian' I can see there is a difference there Therefore it is quite possible to be Christian without believing in god Then to be part of that culture you have to abide the the cultural norms otherwise you are not truly christian and not part of that culture. It is the same as saying the Polish labourers are British because they live in Britain. I believe in some Jewish customs, but not them all, I believe in one God, but I do not believe in the custom/covenant of circumcision. If you can solemnly say you believe in the credal statements then fine, if not your not a christian, simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Then to be part of that culture you have to abide the the cultural norms otherwise you are not truly christian and not part of that culture. It is the same as saying the Polish labourers are British because they live in Britain. I believe in some Jewish customs, but not them all, I believe in one God, but I do not believe in the custom/covenant of circumcision. If you can solemnly say you believe in the credal statements then fine, if not your not a christian, simples. Why don't I follow the cultural norms? I think you should revisit a few modern, up to date dictionaries insted of relying on your 2,000 year old book of fairy tales! Do you honestly believe everything the bible tells you? Edited March 13, 2013 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 You first, try "Christian"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 here endeth the lesson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 here endeth the lesson If only.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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