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After a lot of faffing about, I've eventually got the mec 600 turning out reasonable crimps on the 20g. One thing I can't get rid of is a dip in just one place on every shell. If it wasn't for that, they'd be near perfect. The hulls are RC Sipe 70mm. I am thinking its a fault in the shell casing...plastic weak etc. Any ideas?

 

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your crimp looks a bit deep to me,try raising your shot slightly.craig

 

After a lot of faffing about, I've eventually got the mec 600 turning out reasonable crimps on the 20g. One thing I can't get rid of is a dip in just one place on every shell. If it wasn't for that, they'd be near perfect. The hulls are RC Sipe 70mm. I am thinking its a fault in the shell casing...plastic weak etc. Any ideas?

 

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Standard crimp is about 1-1.5mm. A RTO in the drill press will tidy those crimps up even though they are perfectly serviceable as they are.

20gauge are much harder to get a good crimp than 12gauge in my experience, that's why I sometimes just use a rolled finish.

The swirl in the centre is because your pre crimp is a little low but I'd rather have that than a hole in the middle or a sunken crimp.

You could do the final crimp, turn the shell and repeat to see if the dent in the edge is repeated.

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Have you checked your final crimp press to see if it shows any damage? Seems odd the imperfection is in the same place, same depth etc. I would almost beleive you were using a RTO crimper for your final crimp ?

 

I took it apart, but can't see anything wrong. Yes it is weird. Other than that the crimps are pretty good.

 

 

 

Have you checked that you arn't hitting the wad too hard? Or have you got something up inside the tooling? It looks to me as if you might have shot stuck up there. get a paperclip up there or remove the tool and give it a visual.

 

Paladin

 

No pressure at all on the wad from the rammer tube, its set to just sit on the wad. As above, I've stripped the final crimper and check the pre crimp. Can't see anyhting that would cause it.

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Ok, just had it apart. I can't see anything in the second crimp tube, no imperfections, burrs. The pre crimp is as high as it will go :hmm: Out of used shells to give it a try.



come on mate,get it sorted :yes: we've come to expect perfection on here :lol: BB I'm on it BB :yes::yes:

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I've loaded a lot worse looking crimps than yours but they have all fired ok, I know its nice to get it right, we all like a pretty shell but with some cases i have strugled to get it right, I sometimes try 2 or 3 different types of cases without changing the settings and if some of the others come out ok its just the cases. the worse I have had is Eley VIP in 28 gauge in my MEC 600 Junior, got so annoyed I had to have a beer and a lie down :yahoo:

Mick. :good:

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Mick I worked there for years and they wouldn't let us have a beer or a lie down. :no:

I've loaded a lot worse looking crimps than yours but they have all fired ok, I know its nice to get it right, we all like a pretty shell but with some cases i have strugled to get it right, I sometimes try 2 or 3 different types of cases without changing the settings and if some of the others come out ok its just the cases. the worse I have had is Eley VIP in 28 gauge in my MEC 600 Junior, got so annoyed I had to have a beer and a lie down :yahoo:

Mick. :good:

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I've loaded a lot worse looking crimps than yours but they have all fired ok, I know its nice to get it right, we all like a pretty shell but with some cases i have strugled to get it right, I sometimes try 2 or 3 different types of cases without changing the settings and if some of the others come out ok its just the cases. the worse I have had is Eley VIP in 28 gauge in my MEC 600 Junior, got so annoyed I had to have a beer and a lie down :yahoo:

Mick. :good:

 

I was told by the supplier of the Mec not to use Eley shells as for some reason they just won't work, as you've found.

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Eley 20g shells are my favourite :good:

I have loaded most makes of 20g case and barely close them.....I leave it to a spin to make a good rounded closure.

 

I must admit, I have little faith in the belief that you can get a 'factory finish' from any one-plunge static die.

 

The closure made by Turbo33 would look great after a quick spin! That 'dip' would soon be ironed out!

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bang on the money there FC finish them flat on the mec plunge and seat the crimp with a rotary crimp finisher even more so with new cases

 

I have loaded most makes of 20g case and barely close them.....I leave it to a spin to make a good rounded closure.

I must admit, I have little faith in the belief that you can get a 'factory finish' from any one-plunge static die.

The closure made by Turbo33 would look great after a quick spin! That 'dip' would soon be ironed out!

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