wildfowler.250 Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) *Just checked with google earth and it says distance of 125 yards : whats your opinions on this group. 100 yards,(maybe slightly over. shot at 10x with quite thick cross hairs. I pulled one shot in the first group,(you know when you realise you've done it as you pull the trigger ). The second group was just to check zero after a couple of clicks to the right. Norma 50 grain vmax in .22-250. im quite pleased? Would you notice much difference on this with reloading? I think I would notice a bigger difference from a higher mag and finer cross hairs but that's less useful for stalking. Appreciate your views no idea why this image is side on and so big? If anyone can sort it that would be great! PS: measured the longest gap in the 3 shot group and its 3/4 of an inch. Edited March 30, 2013 by wildfowler.250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 In fairness there is little point testing a 22-250 at 100 yds, get it out much further to sort what works best 200 at least. 3/4" is what you expect from a factory rifle these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Thanks for the feedback what should I be looking for at 200? I have to say the thick cross hairs on the S&B fairly cover up the target at 100, never mind 200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I should also add, how far should I realistically be looking to shoot? Roe I'm gonna say 200 max? Crows? I'm guessing the long range is down to ability? I've always tried to get closer rather than stretch my abilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsim81 Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I had the same forts mate my sako would shoot 10p size groups all day, I took the plunge and started reloading I now get 5p size group s so in my case im glad I did , also the homeloads perfom better over the distance to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Thanks for the feedback what should I be looking for at 200? I have to say the thick cross hairs on the S&B fairly cover up the target at 100, never mind 200 The reticule thickness matters less than one might assume or even calculate. its not what you should be looking for just it will sort the ammo better, I trust you get my point here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingit Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 The reticule thickness matters less than one might assume or even calculate. its not what you should be looking for just it will sort the ammo better, I trust you get my point here I don't. Could you please explain what you mean here Kent. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I had the same forts mate my sako would shoot 10p size groups all day, I took the plunge and started reloading I now get 5p size group s so in my case im glad I did , also the homeloads perfom better over the distance to. Thanks for that. I think I'll stick with the Norma ammo and try and load up something similar over the summer. At least ill get some quality control over what I'm using as well. The reticule thickness matters less than one might assume or even calculate. its not what you should be looking for just it will sort the ammo better, I trust you get my point here So your saying the reticule thickness doesn't matter that much. But a fine reticule would help me to shoot better groups? That's an educated guess at what you've written Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsim81 Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Iv got to say my groups tightened up when I changed scopes had a meopta 7x50 thick ret but now have a leupold finer ret just find it alot better doesnt cover the target as much . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 What are you shooting off? That group will kill anything you put in front of the scope. I would practice off what you will mainly shoot from; also get out when there is a bit of breeze around just to see where you are with it. Bench shooting is good to see what is what but they get a bit heavy to carry… TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 What are you shooting off? That group will kill anything you put in front of the scope. I would practice off what you will mainly shoot from; also get out when there is a bit of breeze around just to see where you are with it. Bench shooting is good to see what is what but they get a bit heavy to carry TEH Thanks for the input that was shot down on the bipod amongst some long grass I think when I try the 200 yard shots I'll use a fox shape target. At least then when the group opens up I can put it into perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 It's all about practice, I don't get on with thick reticle lines either but all you can do is try it and see how you go. Those groups aren't bad at all so get it out to 200 and then get out and kill some foxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 It's all about practice, I don't get on with thick reticle lines either but all you can do is try it and see how you go. Those groups aren't bad at all so get it out to 200 and then get out and kill some foxes Thanks for the advice It was a toss up between a decent fox/stalking reticule and a finer cross hair which I prefer,(ended up with an illuminated ret.). Now to try it under the lamp as you say! Hopefully the 200 yard group will be good enough for charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 I don't. Could you please explain what you mean here Kent. Cheers In many shooting disciplines shooters cannot actually see their group without a spotting scope thinking TR here using open sights often at 800 yds and over, yet one might think that leads to shabby shooting but the fact is it doesn't its the sight picture that matters not the bullet holes!. If your reticule is 2"thick its still possible to shoot half inch groups by design, it just means you need a target that can accommodate the sight picture you require for the reticule to work for best effect. Case in point if I am load testing I have an area 325 yds from my firing point at this range my reticule on 12x covers quite a large area (approx. 2" ) so I centralise on a 3" circle and fully expect and achieve groups 1/2 the size of the target at around 1 1/2" centre to centre. I trust you get the point? Fine reticules are however a big plus if your a BR shooter, the drawback is often in the field. Not actually seeing the bullet holes is often a slight mental advantage as it takes courage to take that final 5th shot when 4 have just gone into a screamer (single calibre width hole)admittedly this sort of precision aim is hard with a thick reticule but 1/2" at 200 is very doable with consistency with a std 12x S+Bender 4a and will serve the average fox and crow shooter very well to the limits of their personal range limits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 but 1/2" at 200 is very doable with consistency with a std 12x S+Bender 4a and will serve the average fox and crow shooter very well to the limits of their personal range limits Thanks for the detailed reply kent I think I will more likely be shooting 1.5' at 200 off the bipod but we will see. At least that group was shot at 120 so not too big a change to 200. Thanks again for all the advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Thumb nail size group at 100 yds with my 22/250 always keeps me happy. If the group is centered at 1" high then I know I am bang on at 205 yds with Winchester Silver Tip ammo. Group would be about 1.5 to 2" at that range. Dead fox or munty. Would need to recalculate and test fire with other ammo. Edited March 31, 2013 by Grandalf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Thumb nail size group at 100 yds with my 22/250 always keeps me happy. If the group is centered at 1" high then I know I am bang on at 205 yds with Winchester Silver Tip ammo. Group would be about 1.5 to 2" at that range. Dead fox or munty. Would need to recalculate and test fire with other ammo. I think I could tighten this group up with practice. Shame it costs so much £££ per bullet. Thanks for that. It was around an inch high at 100, slightly high at 50. I'm pretty much point and shoot if I aim fractionally low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Pretty good groups off a bipod! Google--- bugholes from bipods-- some good tips on shooting small groups without a bench. You can buy Vmax in a 250 box and save a little bit per. I would encourage you to practice as much as you can afford as it improves your field shooting tremendously. I am thinking just off hand that if you bump it up to 1.5 high at 100 you should be dead on at 250 and a tad low at 300, which should do for 90% of your shooting. Edited March 31, 2013 by coyotemaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Pretty good groups off a bipod! Google--- bugholes from bipods-- some good tips on shooting small groups without a bench. You can buy Vmax in a 250 box and save a little bit per. I would encourage you to practice as much as you can afford as it improves your field shooting tremendously. I am thinking just off hand that if you bump it up to 1.5 high at 100 you should be dead on at 250 and a tad low at 300, which should do for 90% of your shooting. Thank you just started to read that link and its very informative. I could do the 1.5" high for 300 but its unlikely ill get much chance to shoot vermin to that range. Maybe the odd crow but I could always drive closer. I take on board your practice comment. I've being doing similar with the rimfire as the techniques are similar. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx10mike Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 with no rear rest a thick cross hair i think the groups are very very good.my 223 will group but on a still day at 100 with a rear rest and a light trigger when i behave and do my bit. if i had groups like that with factory ammo i would have never got into home loading.this would have been a disaster as its become as big a part of the hobby as pulling the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Here you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 I should also add, how far should I realistically be looking to shoot? Roe I'm gonna say 200 max? Crows? I'm guessing the long range is down to ability? I've always tried to get closer rather than stretch my abilities Of cause you want be shooting roe with a 22.250 will you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Of cause you want be shooting roe with a 22.250 will you ! He might well be in scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 post-11837-0-21513500-1364658266.jpgHere you go Thank you! He might well be in scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) 5&10 shot groups shot at 100m on the range with altering conditions trying different bullets and weights off a bipod no rear rest with a .2231:9 on x16 fine ret,the 52g amax are hand loaded my first under supervision. The v bull is smaller than a £1 Coin. Im just starting out and learning and some I dialed in and some moved poa ,so not a real group or as good as yours or zx10's groups. Looks ok in my novice eyes. Edited March 31, 2013 by Albert 888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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