markm Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) Buy a used beretta for £900, sell it for £900................. While it might be "nice to have a new gun" your throwing 20% away as soon as you walk out the shop........ Get the right advice and make sure it fits, buying from a reputable dealer you will get a warranty even on a used gun and on a good make like Miroku, beretta, browning you will have little worries as parts are easily available and most gunsmiths can repair for reasonable money. Beretta are particularly good on parts as long as you dont buy a shot out gun ( 500,000 + shells on a browning miroku beretta) you will be fine.... It is odd the coach uses it for lessons but doesn't recommend it unless he just bought the cheapest gun he could find or it doesn't fit you (in which case it should not be used for your lesson!) So you buy a used beretta from a dealer and get this service, warranty (including his/her mark up, say £200) and then you sell it for what you paid for it, not sure how that works....... More like the dealer will give you £500 when you trade it in therefore it's cost you £400. Not sure if its just me or the people I know, most started with a cheap gun, to get used to shooting, then traded up for a more expensive brand when they become more experienced. Edited April 15, 2013 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Calm down mark.....count to 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1..........all's good again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) I started with a double trigger o/u Baikal Edited April 15, 2013 by shaun4860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 I'm with Mark, those maths didnt make sense, unless you buy private and sell private you're going to lose money whatever the gun. I've found that if a gun fits me I'll shoot the same regardless whether its a O/U, SxS, Semi, pump etc.... you need to get used to the change in weight and swing but thats takes but a few shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) Not sure if its just me or the people I know, most started with a cheap gun, to get used to shooting, then traded up for a more expensive brand when they become more experienced. Bought a 525 after having a few lessons....still have it.... The cheapest one in guntrader is £100 more than I paid 3 years ago for the cheapest one on guntrader......I bought the right gun at the right price.....while I'm sure u wouldn't trade it in for what I paid I recon it would sell for +/- £50 on what I paid.... Edited April 15, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Guns, cars,.....it's the same, the first owner takes the biggest loss! It's just how it is but buying or selling or both through a dealer will always cost you money. I find that even when trading privately I tend to lose money as people want to give me as little as possible but always want loads the other way, but that's maybe just me. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 There is a price for selling and a price for buying! the true price is the compromise in the middle. Always ask your self what you would pay for it , and there is your guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 the only thing that throws the prices is the fact that a lot of guns are imported and exchange rates etc if you look at brownings and berettas the reason they don't fall past a certain level is due to the increase in price of new ones. When I started shooting silver pigeons second hand were about £400 now the same guns are actually worth more as long as they haven't been totally abused. Good scopes have done the same thing, so in a way the coach was right in his advice buy a decent second hand shotgun and you get your use out of it and if you sell privately you won't loose much at all, they are well built and last which is why the second hand value stays fairly static or actually rises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 the only thing that throws the prices is the fact that a lot of guns are imported and exchange rates etc if you look at brownings and berettas the reason they don't fall past a certain level is due to the increase in price of new ones. When I started shooting silver pigeons second hand were about £400 now the same guns are actually worth more as long as they haven't been totally abused. Good scopes have done the same thing, so in a way the coach was right in his advice buy a decent second hand shotgun and you get your use out of it and if you sell privately you won't loose much at all, they are well built and last which is why the second hand value stays fairly static or actually rises. Bang on In some cases if a new buyer looks after his guns and keeps them for long enough he may get his money back. I bought a new DT10 in 2001 for £3125 and sold it in fantastic condition 10 years later for £3200 and the buyer got a great buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 I meant to add, I know that not all shooters can pay big money for new guns but would advise that £500 spent on a good make, second hand shot gun will not lose you much in resale when you do decide you can improve your gun choice. Then again if you do buy a cheap new gun and try to sell it off you will more than likely make a bigger loss. I can assure you this is the case as I have been there, but will never ever get caught out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 depends on how you're going to use the gun also, all mine are working guns that I cant be too precious about and I certainly dont have any cabinet queens. They all go out in the field, get bashed about, rained on etc etc For my kind of shooting a cheap gun is the better option, which is why I shoot an old Mossberg 500 that cost me £150, it fits me, I shoot well with it and its gets shot alot... it owes me nothing and if I ever come to replacing I dont care if I give it away as it has been a great gun and owes me nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 to me a £500 browning or beretta is a working field gun that would go out in all weathers, looked after they are reliable in all conditions and still last. My current one is a bit more than that but its out on game days, rough shooting vermin days etc etc I'm not precious about it and it looks in good nick when its not covered in mud the thing about them is they are made to be used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) totally agree with the above statement. lol my beretta semi was only used for clays up untill last weekend when i took out decoying. i think i kind of prefer it covered in mud and looking well used... lol Edited April 16, 2013 by brett1985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Thats how a gun should look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 If your paying £500 for a used browning or beretta, it must be a dog, if not, point me in the right direction, I will retire, become a part time RFD and supply the local trade and people on here with used guns. A CZ r/f is just the same as a cheap shotgun, it does what it says on the tin, bet quiet a few of you 'brand' boys shoot one of them. A shotgun coach (most) work on a shooting ground, that sells guns. Buy a new gun for £400 like a revo, the ground makes a £100 max. Buy a used browning 525 for £900, the ground makes £250+. If I was in the same business, I would do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 A shotgun coach (most) work on a shooting ground, that sells guns. Buy a new gun for £400 like a revo, the ground makes a £100 max. Buy a used browning 525 for £900, the ground makes £250+. If I was in the same business, I would do the same. Plenty of browning and beretta autos under £500 used.....I digress £250 mark up on a used £900 gun? Who is selling them for £650 to the dealers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) I didnt want to say it first but there does seem to be a whole brand monkey thing going on in the UK shooting scene. For me if a gun fits its shoots the same regardless of its price or brand.... my £150 mossy will out last me and I shoot it no better or worse than a berreta that fits the same so why pay more? Edited April 16, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Dupe Edited April 16, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Autos? Thought we were talking about O/U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidbj123 Posted April 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 We started too until it went abit mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Should add there is/was a browning A1 liege at a major dealer £595 a fortnight ago..... Serious value if not shot out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 If your paying £500 for a used browning or beretta, it must be a dog, if not, point me in the right direction, I will retire, become a part time RFD and supply the local trade and people on here with used guns. Ok time to retire then, http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Browning_Shotgun_Medalist_For-Sale_130328195937474 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Beretta_Shotgun_For-Sale_130404124721350 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Browning_Shotgun_Medalist_For-Sale_130405110833000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I wouldn't personally count the medalist but they are good guns....... Plenty just over £500 that will be worth the same in 3-5 years, I can't see a revo bought now being worth the same in 3-5 years..... A friend bought a 686 28" MC with adjustable comb and kick eez fitted for £800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 they are pure examples there are many cases of being in the right place at the right time to pick up decent guns second hand usually when the alternative is trading them in against another gun when you get offered a pittance for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Ok time to retire then, http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Browning_Shotgun_Medalist_For-Sale_130328195937474 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Beretta_Shotgun_For-Sale_130404124721350 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Browning_Shotgun_Medalist_For-Sale_130405110833000 Gosh! I've handed my notice in....... A owld dog beretta ok, it says in good nick, I've looked at guns like that, then you dig deep, it's not that good, amazing what a bit or 'tarting up' can do. Browning medallist, recognised as a 'poor substitute' to any of their guns starting with a B2/3/4/5/7, often referred to as not being a real browning. Sorry, I've withdrawn the letter of resignation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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