English archer Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 As mentioned in my earlier thread, I am in a position to sell some shooting permission. I assume I take payment before showing them where the land is, I don't tell them who the land owner is, so they can't approach him themselves. How do I ensure people renew the rights after a year, and don't just keep shooting regardless? What's a fair price for a years rights to 10 acres of woodland? Sub 12ft/lb air rifles only. I may offer the other 40 acres at a later date, but for now, that's mine alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Are you serious, really??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English archer Posted April 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Yes, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Well you appear to be selling something that you have no real control over just to try and make a fast buck. How would the landowner feel about you selling rights that you don't possess to his land? Why not just move aside for somebody who will appreciate the land that you can't be bothered with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Not sure I understand this, we have given permissions away to people we believe will do a better job than ourselves. This could be far away from our main shooting grounds or air rifle shooters better suited. I would not ever think of selling permissions, you open yourself up to possible problems that will come back to bite you. We also offer help & guidance to the shooter and have the understanding we will sort out any problem he can't deal with. I am not sure many will agree that this should be the way forward in gaining permission to shoot a farmers land. Some of my family are farmers and I know word would get round fast if I was selling off shooting permissions.....in fact I may go missing? Pass it on and make a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Well first you would need a lease from the owner that allows sub letting, then you sub let to leasees on an annual basis. With land registers being a public record it won'trequire a genius to work out who owns it.....oh and you'll need some form of indemnity insurance......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English archer Posted April 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 I have a permission letter stating that I and 3 other people can shoot there, I hold the rights to sell on the 3 spaces. I was thinking about £20-30 per year each, or £60 for as long as the permission lasts, I have 3 years rights in writing, with possibility to extend as long as land owner remains happy that no damage or abuse is occurring. Might get 3 years, might get 20 years for your £60. It's a tiny part of the guys land, but I started shooting rats in his barns, now I have this, maybe in a few years I will have full permission over his land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English archer Posted April 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Well first you would need a lease from the owner that allows sub letting, then you sub let to leasees on an annual basis. With land registers being a public record it won'trequire a genius to work out who owns it.....oh and you'll need some form of indemnity insurance......... The lease ans sub letting is sorted. But why would I need insurance? Have I overlooked a serious pitfall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 The lease ans sub letting is sorted. But why would I need insurance? Have I overlooked a serious pitfall? Liability against accidents etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant Feeder Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 So by your own reckoning you might make £90 per year at best? For all the hassle why not just get 3 mates to shoot it with you and you might even get a reciprocal arrangement to shoot some of their land in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English archer Posted April 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Liability against accidents etc. But we don't ask of that from farmers when asking or permission, is it different becouse I'm selling the rights? So by your own reckoning you might make £90 per year at best? For all the hassle why not just get 3 mates to shoot it with you and you might even get a reciprocal arrangement to shoot some of their land in return. I don't know anyone else that shoots, but that could be a good idea. It's not about money, but I thought people may respect the land more if paying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 But we don't ask of that from farmers when asking or permission, is it different becouse I'm selling the rights? I don't know anyone else that shoots, but that could be a good idea. It's not about money, but I thought people may respect the land more if paying. No idea tbh, but that's generally why you have public liability insurance when renting. Maybe you could ask the farmer if he'll pay for it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 I don't know anyone else that shoots, but that could be a good idea. It's not about money, but I thought people may respect the land more if paying. If its not about the money get whom ever you invite to put time into the land, you know keeping it tidy etc, that way they will have respect for it and mr farmer would be happy too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English archer Posted April 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 If its not about the money get whom ever you invite to put time into the land, you know keeping it tidy etc, that way they will have respect for it and mr farmer would be happy too Good idea, I'm having a serious rethink about how to go about this. Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 No worries, if you and a few chaps offer mr farmer a few days unpaid labour I would imagine the doors may open to more land a lot quicker then if he found out you were making people pay for access to his land, obviously I don't know what you have or haven't discussed with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 As you are selling the right to shoot on "your" patch of land; You will need to draw up a legally binding, watertight contract with your "shooters". You will need insurance to cover any and every mishap that may occur including public liability. You will need a lease from your landowner that will stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. You will need to declare the income from your little business HMRC. The list goes on.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Ha this thread beggars belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 i wish i could find a bloomin permission!!! its not for the want of trying!!!! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 as a woodland owner myself, and holder of the shooting rights, I'd be horrified if I were to find out that someone I had given permission too, had sub letted it out, you say you have a permission slip, which is a bit different from holding the shooting rights. was permission given to you and 3 mates by the farmer, or did he mention you could sell 3 spaces on? as saying to someone on a letter, you can bring up to 3 mates with you, is not saying, you can sell 3 spaces another thing you need to remember, is everything rests on your head, your the one who has had dealings with the owner, he trust's YOU, and I would imagine thinks that therefore anyone you bring along is trustworthy, so even if you sold spaces at £100 a year, they then go anytime they want, maybe taking bigger guns/shotguns etc, they blast anything that moves, they wander over more land than they should, and think that because they paid, they can, maybe even let their mates tag along, when the **** hits the fan, the owner will look to you, not them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshunt Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 If you have no shooting friends why not offer a few of here to go out with you, you could end up with a new good friend and invites to their permissions. for for the money you would make just not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 Are you talking about the actual shooting rights or the farmers "word"? Only the owner of the shooting rights is in any position to sell anything and the farmer could well sell the shooting rights on and those who have his permission to shoot there would no longet have any legal right to shoot without the authority of the new owner of the shooting rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveg01 Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 which part of the country are you in?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 Sounds you have your first customer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 Are you talking about the actual shooting rights or the farmers "word"? Only the owner of the shooting rights is in any position to sell anything and the farmer could well sell the shooting rights on and those who have his permission to shoot there would no longet have any legal right to shoot without the authority of the new owner of the shooting rights. Farmers often don't own the "sporting" rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 So by your own reckoning you might make £90 per year at best? For all the hassle why not just get 3 mates to shoot it with you and you might even get a reciprocal arrangement to shoot some of their land in return. + 1 ,you don't want any Tom **** and harry asking there dads , brothers , mother in laws and elderly auntie onto this land, this will happen ....... just give it away to someone you no and trust, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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