Alex C Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Just bought a new Shogun and i am quite keen to keep it all tip top. I have access to a ramp and was thinking of getting under it and giving it a lick over with waxoyl or something similar. So question is Waxoyl or something different ? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClayBoss Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Por 15, have a google, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Just bought a new Shogun and i am quite keen to keep it all tip top. I have access to a ramp and was thinking of getting under it and giving it a lick over with waxoyl or something similar. So question is Waxoyl or something different ? Cheers I would be tempted to get it done properly with waxoil they do say that if done properly when new it can help to protect it from rust for years ok you can do it yourself but it is a messy job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Sure bilt hamber is still highly regarded, heard few story's about waxoyl if its not done properly causing more hassle on landys etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Por 15, have a google, The por 15 is good for the surface rust but I do not think that you can spray the inside of the chases as you can with waxoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Practical classics have just finished a test over a few years of rustproofers, POR15 came in badly Waxoil came second this months I beleive, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Modern cars will not die of rust like the old ones did. The bodywork is a lot better and the engine will probably catastophically fail the emissions before the body goes. New cars in the showrooms today are ticking timebombs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andypaint Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Por15 good but needs to go on bare metal. So to much prep. Look at the dinitrol range on the frost website. That what we use. Waxoyl is rubbish and its messy snd runs off in the heat of summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Why are they like ticking time bombs ? I'm not arguing but going to be looking for an Isuzu D Max shortly when I've sold my AJS and Landrover, Thanks barney Modern cars will not die of rust like the old ones did. The bodywork is a lot better and the engine will probably catastophically fail the emissions before the body goes. New cars in the showrooms today are ticking timebombs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I used tetra schutz and 3m cavity wax in the pillars and door skins. It was on a landy though and I had a high time lying on my back with a wire brush and pressure washer first. Also, I waited until the weather was consistently hot before applying. No easy ask in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) Why are they like ticking time bombs ? I'm not arguing but going to be looking for an Isuzu D Max shortly when I've sold my AJS and Landrover, Thanks barney The complicated engine management systems needed to keep the emissions within legal limits are always going to be vunerable because any small fault can be so expensive to diagnose and repair. Also even small amounts of wear that wouldn't make any difference on the old MOT will now render the vehicle a failure due to the tight emissions limits. Things like turbos greatly add to the risk, great when they are working but they can wreck the whole engine when they fail.. Its not any particular make of vehicle or type of vehicle. Its just a consequence of EURO4 and EURO5 emmissions laws and the effect it has on engines.This has been predicted and is well documented. What it means is that vehicles are not likely to be on the road long enough to go seriously rusty. Watch out for the car transporters taking cars to the scrap yard. There are some immaculate looking cars with no visible damage (and not that old) going to to car heaven these days. Edited May 2, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Do they emission test diesels now then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) Long service intervals to keep customers happy + most vehicles being turbo charged these days = Most of the problems on modern diesels are caused by the oil not being changed frequently enough, low lubricity diesel and the fact that the components have to run at such high tolerences / pressures that something going slightly out of spec has major concequences. I have only ever seen Waxoyl being used but don't have much experience in that area. Edited May 2, 2013 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Thanks for the info Vince,downside is for those that can,t stretch to a new vehicle which is a lot of us we are all going to be buying one of these soon as are less complicated vehicles get older, looks like I could do with buying one that still has some manufacturers warranty left on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C Posted May 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Cheers for the help guys. The only reason i want to do this is i know where the water traps are and the first places for rust to get hold having run an older shogun for years. I am thinking i can head it off before it starts on this one. I think i will try the old waxoyl or the Dinitrol stuff. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Most of the problems on modern diesels are caused by the oil not being changed frequently enoughAbsolutely right, and using rubbish oil. All our diesels are run on fully synthetic and its changed every 6000. It comes out filthy black. Edited May 4, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 And not being changed properly by monkey boy garages........should be changed hot and left to drain for at least 20 mins so that the **** comes out of the sump. But if your paying £70 an hour for the privilage they just suck it out of the dip stick tube leaving all the **** in there to block your turbo oil feeds / mesh etc!! Rant over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandango Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Old engine old and diesel mixed,,,,,, costs next nowt,,, easy to apply after a good power wash of the chassis,, and gets in all the nooks and crannies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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