Armsan semi autos what's your thoughts ?

[matt fieldcrafter-uk]

Hello guys, anybody ( including trade) have any experience of the above ?

Iv seen a 28g 3 shot semi auto i like but know nothing of the company it's products or after sales .

All the best , matt

[Livefast123]

I held a 20g one down at Ivythorn Sporting, felt well screwed together and the action was smooth.

[hawkfanz]

some pigeon shooters on fieldsports.tv use armsan 12g,they like em,in fact i bought an a620s thats the 20gauge version in yorkshire on friday,havent been able to try it out yet but brand new for £390,dont mind knockin it about in the pigeon hide.will report when ive tried it.

[matt fieldcrafter-uk]

That's great thank you .

I know the guys from" team wild" have them for pigeon shooting , but I worry they are biased because that's all team wild is , is a sales platform.

Who sells them it would be nice to price them up a little more before taking the plunge !

[hawkfanz]

i think a branthwaite has them on his website there near stockport.

[Full Pelt]

The Armsan semi is essentially a Benelli copy, and there is a lot of choice :

 

http://www.armsan.com/

 

http://www.armsan.com/media/videos.html

 

 

Armsan also manufacture for Weatherby ; the Weatherby SA08 (a Beretta copy) is well reviewed everywhere.

 

Looking for a genuinely light in weight 12g semi I bought one, inspite of the fact that Weatherby do not offer a warranty (they aren't expected to breakdown), and it works faultlessly.

 

Few importers for Armsan as the whole market is saturated, if I needed A 28g semi I would buy the Armsan without hesitation.

Edited May 15, 2013 by Full Pelt

[matt fieldcrafter-uk]

Thank you gents that's great . I don't need a 28g I just need a 28g if you follow ?

 

At the price how can you resist ?

[Sco77w]

OK here goes.

I have had my A612 for over 2 years now and it hasn't let me down yet. BUT and that's a big but. Through no fault of the gun I need a new bolt handle so I asked my local gun shop to order me one. They came back to me after a few days saying they couldn't get one as Viking no longer import them and the new importer won't be able to get parts until the end of the year. I made a couple of calls and was told the same thing by the importers so i tried to get one for a webly & Scott 812 K which is the same gun. Again I have drawn a blank so Monday I sent an email to Armsan in Turkey. I'm still waiting for them to get back to me.

 

If I don't get a reply from them and can't get a cheap little but essential part I would have to say leave them alone and buy something like a Beretta, Browning ore even a Mossberg.

 

I'll let you all know how I get on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bostonmick]

My own view on semi auto's is I dislike them all I have owned three all berettas but just do not find them a nice gun to use.however if you

Must have one I would steer clear of all these lesser makes as you will come up against problems with parts in the future.a second hand Beretta browning or Winchester will do a much better service and parts will be available for many years to come.just my humble take on things.also resale a £600 391 is not going to lose any money so saving you money in the long term.

Edited May 23, 2013 by bostonmick

[B B]

I can not coment directly on the armsan semi autos in particular i have no experience with them.

But my take on the whole semi auto scene right now is this for what its worth.

Companies like webley and scott weatherby harrington and richardson charles dalley have been and still are taking guns made by otther arms manufacturers and badging them with their name, its been going on for years back in the late 1960s early 1970s an average by those days standards italian arms manufacturer called Berreta was producing their model 56E range of over and unders and they were being sold under the webley and scott title just as the cheap turks of today are. BSA webleys arch rival back then decided to combat the Beretta webley deal with one of their own with SKBs japanese Merkelesque style over and under, and both these guns proved money makers back then for both of these British firms. My point here is that this type of rebadging exersise is not new its in fact old hat.

The Armsan i imagine will be produced like akkars and hatsans be produced in a modern Turkish factory by modern CNC production methods and machinery, Many of the Machines used to mill / turn the actions and other components of these guns will be in fact the exact same make and model of machine used by many of the generaly more acccepted arms producers like benneli Berreta Browning ETC, much of the software to control these machines will be identical and even the raw materials used in the production for example of both turkish and italian for example guns will be similar arms industry spec .

So basicaly these guns may well be a little crude on the final finishing compared to some higher priced guns but will be bassical diferentiated by design and developmen,t only the production will be more or less the same, Alli in turkey or Tony in italy can both push a button with their right forefinger and turn out their designated components by the thousand day after day.

Now i wont say that for yet another example Benneli M2 is worse than the stoger M2000 , that is clearly not the case in ownership or use, but what i will say is that they are closer to each other on production quality than their vastly different retail prices would sujest, and that given a little more development time and assesment of the detailed shortfalls in the M2000 the stoger could in fact perform no worse than the Benneli at a 3rd of the price.

Make no bones about it, the Berreta and benneli semis are not toiled over by a bespecticled artisan in a renaiasonse production shop dating back to the 1500s never mind what the brosures may say, nor are the Hatsan works suplied with alloy by donkey and the lathes turned by steam engines. Ony design and development split them, and just like everyone said that trash step through Honda 50 would never catch on or ever over throw our illustrious British motorcycle industry, i sujest certainly where semi autos are concerned the hatstands akkars Armsans etc are here to stay, and i also think if you look with your eyes and your hands rather than your ego and your credit card snobery you may be in for a few suprises from the turks and i would say ultimatly the chinese in the none too distant future.

[hawkfanz]

thats a bit long winded,but i think your right,i remember when the jap guns 1st came here look were they are now.ive yet to try my armsan a620s but i,m sure it,ll shoot ok.

[davidsuffolk]

I have one. Seems OK to me, goes bang and (sometimes) a pigeon will fall., Hasn't misfired or failed to eject, plastic forend and stock makes it durable and I don't mind getting it muddy etc. Other end of the scale to my Watson Bros English side by side but far more suitable for knocking about with and as mine was under £400 new, I'm not complaining?

[lincs1963]

Funnily enough I had a look at a 20 gauge armsan semi auto just last night. I must say it felt really nice, light and pointable, however while waiting for shop owner to find the price (gun only delivered yesterday) I noticed that the stock was split from where it joins the metalwork, all the way through the pistol grip! I'm afraid that put me right off. I told the owner and he said he would be sending the gun back today. This is probably a one off but I won't be buying one.

[Fuji Shooter]

I shot with a guy who had the red sporting version. I had a good look at it and had a few clays off it.

I have to say that for what he paid for it the finish and details was spot on.

 

Extended chokes at £10 a piece are a nice touch too.

[chrispti]

I girl I know has the red sporter that she uses for clay shooting, she said she's not had any issues or jams so far....

[matt fieldcrafter-uk]

Thanks fellas it will be a few weeks till I can afford another gun , but I still don't know .

If it was a money doesn't matter issue I'd go bonelli but I don't think I would ever spend that much on a non game gun ? Who knows one day when I'm flush .

I just love the idea of a semi auto small bore !

[FarmerSim]

OK here goes.

I have had my A612 for over 2 years now and it hasn't let me down yet. BUT and that's a big but. Through no fault of the gun I need a new bolt handle so I asked my local gun shop to order me one. They came back to me after a few days saying they couldn't get one as Viking no longer import them and the new importer won't be able to get parts until the end of the year. I made a couple of calls and was told the same thing by the importers so i tried to get one for a webly & Scott 812 K which is the same gun. Again I have drawn a blank so Monday I sent an email to Armsan in Turkey. I'm still waiting for them to get back to me.

 

If I don't get a reply from them and can't get a cheap little but essential part I would have to say leave them alone and buy something like a Beretta, Browning ore even a Mossberg.

 

I'll let you all know how I get on.

 

Surely, someone can make you a new bolt handle - struth, you file the thing out of solid in an hour!

 

And what do you mean, "even a Mossberg" Cheeky Sod!

[Sco77w]

Sorry FarmerSim, I didn't mean to offend. I have a mossberg too. I know they are bomb proof but they lack a little in refinement. I've just found out that the 20 g semi from them is made in Turkey. Looks like we can't get away from them.

As for making a bolt handle out of a solid lump, I may give that a go if I don't have any luck with the manufacturers (which is looking more likely as each day passes)