N.Ireland.Do you really love us.

[mudpatten]

My family descendants left the Emerald Isle at the time of the potato famine so, with Irish in the blood I feel entitled to comment.

 

If you lot had any sense you`d apply to become the fifty first State of the U.S.

 

Now would`nt that upset a few apple carts and put many cats amongst a lot of pigeons.

[ordnance]

I was trying to stay out of this one but I will say something before it gets locked. To say that people were forced by circumstances to join paramilitaries is rubbish they made a choice to destroy the country by bombing and murdering and they deserved all they got on both sides, i have no simplify for any of them that died in prison or else were. Other people made choices to be doctors teachers and other useful citizens they and ordinary decent people of N Ireland are the people I look up to. Its also a inconvenient truth that the IRA self appointed defenders of one section of the community killed more catholics than the RUC and the British army put together people trying to rewrite history can't change that.

Edited May 28, 2013 by ordnance

[Laird Lugton]

I'm married to a Norn Iron women and I am quite happy for you to remain part of the the UK as long as you wish to remain..

 

Whenever I visit you are all very friendly but oh so tribal which makes me uneasy when I see flags of all denominations flying as I pass through area after area. It is a constant reminder of the state of the society and a reason why I won't bring my children up in such a divided society despite a wish by the boss to move back......

[imissalot]

Loss of life sad surely but a lot of Deaths on all sides. NOT trying to get at you but as a teenager we were made into play things by not all but some British Soldiers, who thought it was funny to pull a mother and family out of a car in the rain and pull the car apart and then drive off laughing. That's part of the reason so many young lads over here joined the IRA because the way they were treated. Francis Hughes( 1 of the Hunger Strikers ) who's family I know very well was Humiliated in front of his girlfriend,were he was made strip and dance Thats Fact he Only joined up after being beaten on a few occasions. So if we didn't united we could say it was all. For nothing but we can't live in the past we have to move on, and I really think at the minute we are safer were we are.

Must say when I was there I was 18 ,I treat every one the same stopped and searched both sides , in the two years I was there (omagh) I was spat at kicked SHOT at sworn at never once did I lose my temper ,and would never hold it against any one it was my job and proud to have done it

[Big Marty]

Must say when I was there I was 18 ,I treat every one the same stopped and searched both sides , in the two years I was there (omagh) I was spat at kicked SHOT at sworn at never once did I lose my temper ,and would never hold it against any one it was my job and proud to have done it

As I said the Soldiers were not all bad, but like every job there's good and bad.

[Animal Mother]

 

Doesn't say it on my passport Shotgun Jimmy we have people on here who for once are expressing opinions without trying to cause offence. Please respect this and relax your tone a little.

 

I think you are being a little too sensitive there.

[ben0850]

Yeap I know what you mean but I think let things be as Is, but was just wondering was there any substance to his point about England and English people not really being happy with the UK government having to support us to an existent.

I've never heard this point of view from anyone I know or even in the press?

 

I've spent a fair bit of time in NI at the North West, the people are the most genuine and welcoming people without a doubt.

The choice of UK membership should be theirs to determine the same as for the scots and welsh. On a practical level though dissolution of the union is a nightmare logistically!

[Cannon]

 

I think you are being a little too sensitive there.

Just making a point

[ordnance]

I've spent a fair bit of time in NI at the North West,

 

I hope you didn't go this year. The 2013 Vauxhall North West 200 has been abandoned because of heavy rain. Event Director Mervyn Whyte, MBE, announced the decision at 3.14pm after the course had been deluged in torrential rain all day.

 

[Pastiebap]

I know alot of people from both "communities" that I would drink with and would trust with my life. Likewise I know people from both communities that you wouldn't tire punching.

 

There's knobs wherever you go, the key is sorting out the good guys from the knobs.

[Big Marty]

I know alot of people from both "communities" that I would drink with and would trust with my life. Likewise I know people from both communities that you wouldn't tire punching.

 

There's knobs wherever you go, the key is sorting out the good guys from the knobs.

Nail on the head there for sure boy. Here Pastie do you think Sammy Wilson reads PW,,heard on the radio there he had announced the building of a new bridge between North & South lol. It's men like you that make this wee country a good ole place to live, bit of banter but you don't take it all to serious......

[Footu]

I think the uk is stronger with all of it members. What bugs me is that a lot of people consider the uk to be mainly England. The original post was should Ireland be in the uk, do the English want us? ( much shortened version). Throughout history the land grab of other nation was by scots, welsh and Irish troops as much as the English. We stood united, we still should.

[Pastiebap]

Nail on the head there for sure boy. Here Pastie do you think Sammy Wilson reads PW,,heard on the radio there he had announced the building of a new bridge between North & South lol. It's men like you that make this wee country a good ole place to live, bit of banter but you don't take it all to serious......

 

See as i've aged, i've come to the conclusion that the only mind I can change is my own, if I don't like someones views I don't associate with them, and if a person is a good person, then that is just what they are.

 

I've met Sammy a good few times and have always found him fairly affable. Can't understand the bridge though as there's ****** all there anyway ;p;

[four-wheel-drive]

I think that it would help us a lot if we had an English parliament as the Welsh and Scots and NI then we could have a Uk government much as in the US where for the most part they leave the states to for the most part do there own thing ok it would cost more to do but compared to the money that is spent on other things it would be worth it.

 

I also think that the parties should be funded by the tax payers people will complain about that but I would rather that than have rich people pay for the conservative party and the unions do the same for Labor dose anyone in there rite mind think that they do it for fun they do it so that they can have a say in what the government dose also it is us who pays in the end as they get most of the donations deducted from there tax.

[Big Marty]

 

See as i've aged, i've come to the conclusion that the only mind I can change is my own, if I don't like someones views I don't associate with them, and if a person is a good person, then that is just what they are.

 

I've met Sammy a good few times and have always found him fairly affable. Can't understand the bridge though as there's ****** all there anyway ;p;

very good very good.

[Shotgun jimmy]

Sorry dancake that my strong views upset you but thats the way I see it as a South Armagh resident!

Living on the border!

Marty was stating how the soldiers mistreated a republicans family (hear say) may or may not have happened but if hes going to point out an act that soldiers are supposed to have carried out and try to belittle them when they where trying to protect us all both catholic an prod then I will most certainly point out why they were here in the first place!

Because of the murdering cowardly scum that are the ira. Their leaders now sit and get British tax payers money in parliment buildings.

Growing up in south Armagh was not easy watching an hearing the ira destroy innocent lives!

Sure there was silly acts made by protestant terrorists but the ira really took top place for murdering unarmed civillians.

I for one will not sit back and watch people run down the British soldiers who done an amazing job of trying to keep the peace in this country.

And I would not like to think that all the loss of soldiers lives was lost unnecessarily just to throw it all away and make a united Ireland!

[Big Marty]

Your more or less calling me a Liar. Throughout this I have tried to be polite and truthful and at no stage disrespectful to you. So last time if you want put your fingers in your ears and not listen up to you, but it happened to them as it happened to me and many others,why you refuse to believe it I just don't get. There are others on here that hold as strong a views about Ulster staying British as you and fair play to them that's there beliefs. All I ask is not to be called a liar as really what reason have I to lie. As I said on here to others not all Soldiers were bad and some that I have got to know through here that are complete gentlemen and tell horror stories of what they had to go through ( A SIDE I NEVER THOUGHT OF BEFORE ) So I am NOT anti Soldiers as a lot suffered to..So S.J just don't be so quick to trample on people's life stories as it offends.....

[Big Marty]

I was trying to stay out of this one but I will say something before it gets locked. To say that people were forced by circumstances to join paramilitaries is rubbish they made a choice to destroy the country by bombing and murdering and they deserved all they got on both sides, i have no simplify for any of them that died in prison or else were. Other people made choices to be doctors teachers and other useful citizens they and ordinary decent people of N Ireland are the people I look up to. Its also a inconvenient truth that the IRA self appointed defenders of one section of the community killed more catholics than the RUC and the British army put together people trying to rewrite history can't change that.

As always my friend there are things that you and I disagree on, but as always you make a very good point and a lot of which is very true.Glad you put your comment up as it is always welcomed. Now after being nice to you any chance you could sub me a Tenner lol. Good to hear from you boy...........

[Shotgun jimmy]

Your more or less calling me a Liar. Throughout this I have tried to be polite and truthful and at no stage disrespectful to you. So last time if you want put your fingers in your ears and not listen up to you, but it happened to them as it happened to me and many others,why you refuse to believe it I just don't get. There are others on here that hold as strong a views about Ulster staying British as you and fair play to them that's there beliefs. All I ask is not to be called a liar as really what reason have I to lie. As I said on here to others not all Soldiers were bad and some that I have got to know through here that are complete gentlemen and tell horror stories of what they had to go through ( A SIDE I NEVER THOUGHT OF BEFORE ) So I am NOT anti Soldiers as a lot suffered to..So S.J just don't be so quick to trample on people's life stories as it offends.....

 

 

At what point have you been called a liar??

I simply state that youre comment is one which is based on youre own experience. I have never said it was lies!

The ones I have made about the ira are all well known publicised factual ones that have needlessly claimed many many lives.

[Big Marty]

On another point heard that England and Ireland are playing for the first time since the mid 90,s hope it doesn't go the way it did that time....

[Big Marty]

At what point have you been called a liar??

I simply state that youre comment is one which is based on youre own experience. I have never said it was lies!

The ones I have made about the ira are all well known publicised factual ones that have needlessly claimed many many lives.

I agree with you but what you said is it may or may not of happened Iam telling you it did,just like you had to put up with a lot living on the border I totally believe you as I would say it was rough.The truth is but S.J there were some soldiers that came over in there teens and they saw you me and all the rest of us as scum, as we were called quite often.There were senior people within the Republican movement that took advantage of this and would say to lads hear how they speak to you they hate you, you should do something about it, this is Fact as its also a personal experience. Luckily I didn't listen but lots did..... As some of the ex-soldiers on here have said they were spat at kicked and treated badly,Look all I ask is don't doubt everything I say, You have very strong Views which you can believe me or not I think makes you a strong person,but come on were not going to agree but let's agree to disagree and just except Iam right.. ONLY KIDDING BEFORE YOU HAVE SEIZURE. Ha ha.....

[Pastiebap]

I agree with you but what you said is it may or may not of happened Iam telling you it did,just like you had to put up with a lot living on the border I totally believe you as I would say it was rough.The truth is but S.J there were some soldiers that came over in there teens and they saw you me and all the rest of us as scum, as we were called quite often.There were senior people within the Republican movement that took advantage of this and would say to lads hear how they speak to you they hate you, you should do something about it, this is Fact as its also a personal experience. Luckily I didn't listen but lots did..... As some of the ex-soldiers on here have said they were spat at kicked and treated badly,Look all I ask is don't doubt everything I say, You have very strong Views which you can believe me or not I think makes you a strong person,but come on were not going to agree but let's agree to disagree and just except Iam right.. ONLY KIDDING BEFORE YOU HAVE SEIZURE. Ha ha.....

As my father (an ex para with three tours under his belt) says;

 

You cannot train a young infantry soldier to a high level of aggression, and then send them to Northern Ireland and expect them to be policemen.

[Shotgun jimmy]

I agree with you but what you said is it may or may not of happened Iam telling you it did,just like you had to put up with a lot living on the border I totally believe you as I would say it was rough.The truth is but S.J there were some soldiers that came over in there teens and they saw you me and all the rest of us as scum, as we were called quite often.There were senior people within the Republican movement that took advantage of this and would say to lads hear how they speak to you they hate you, you should do something about it, this is Fact as its also a personal experience. Luckily I didn't listen but lots did..... As some of the ex-soldiers on here have said they were spat at kicked and treated badly,Look all I ask is don't doubt everything I say, You have very strong Views which you can believe me or not I think makes you a strong person,but come on were not going to agree but let's agree to disagree and just except Iam right.. ONLY KIDDING BEFORE YOU HAVE SEIZURE. Ha ha.....

 

Ok Marty, it may have happened I never said it didnt.

Just like evidence with facts thats all.

[Big Marty]

As my father (an ex para with three tours under his belt) says;

 

You cannot train a young infantry soldier to a high level of aggression, and then send them to Northern Ireland and expect them to be policemen.

yeap very very true,, just don't want to sound like I hate soldiers I really really don't. Well maybe Blunderbus.. Only pulling your leg bud....

[Cannon]

Sorry dancake that my strong views upset you but thats the way I see it as a South Armagh resident!

Living on the border!

Marty was stating how the soldiers mistreated a republicans family (hear say) may or may not have happened but if hes going to point out an act that soldiers are supposed to have carried out and try to belittle them when they where trying to protect us all both catholic an prod then I will most certainly point out why they were here in the first place!

Because of the murdering cowardly scum that are the ira. Their leaders now sit and get British tax payers money in parliment buildings.

Growing up in south Armagh was not easy watching an hearing the ira destroy innocent lives!

Sure there was silly acts made by protestant terrorists but the ira really took top place for murdering unarmed civillians.

I for one will not sit back and watch people run down the British soldiers who done an amazing job of trying to keep the peace in this country.

And I would not like to think that all the loss of soldiers lives was lost unnecessarily just to throw it all away and make a united Ireland!

Your viewpoints don't upset me. It actually looks like you've upset yourself lol. Anybody can come on here and spit dribble about who done what, but that's how the topics get closed. Replying in a non antagonising manner may keep this topic open for others to express their opinions.