Alycidon Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 50g sierra 1320 soft point and reloader 7 gave me very good results Sierra are very underrated, group well, can be driven fast, hold together in faster twists than ideal. I have a friend with a very special wildcat who drives Sierra .22 55gr SPs at 4000 fps, that the downloaded velocity. Fully wound up its flying but 4000 is more than enough in his book. 222 case capacity would suggest to me that bullets in the 40gr area would be best. I have taken foxes to just short of 300 yards with 20 cal 39gr SBKs, they just drop on the spot. No need to feel under gunned with the 40s in your 222. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Just buy Privi FMJs perfect for foxes. The bullets go to pieces and the fox goes down no different to being shot with more expensive bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Just buy Privi FMJs perfect for foxes. The bullets go to pieces and the fox goes down no different to being shot with more expensive bullets. I get through a lot of PRVI in all my centrefires but why would he want to use the FMJ, of course they will do the job, but why not the SP if he is using PRVI, which should be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 I get through a lot of PRVI in all my centrefires but why would he want to use the FMJ, of course they will do the job, but why not the SP if he is using PRVI, which should be better? I would like to ask the same question. I still use a lot of Partizan Softpoints in my .243 and have been using them in my .222 with very good results. Could someone please explain why would you would be better using FMJs for live quarry? What would be the benefits (If any) of using FMJs as opposed to Softpoints? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Cheaper and come through the post. Thats it. Some may bump up and some wont! Bit hit and miss but the fast speed helps to do enough damage upto fox. However when as slow as a 357 very little damage is done so boiler room shots are best. Done it with a 22-250 and it worked but no real need. I have only used them recently in 357 because no one is stocking 357 expanding! Just to get buy have used fmj but it is limiting. The 22-250 put several fox down very quickly with 45grn S&B fmj. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 I would like to ask the same question. I still use a lot of Partizan Softpoints in my .243 and have been using them in my .222 with very good results. Could someone please explain why would you would be better using FMJs for live quarry? What would be the benefits (If any) of using FMJs as opposed to Softpoints? There aren't any ethical benefits so comes down to cost and how much you like following up injured foxes. We have expanding for a reason, why use something designed not to expand that also has a higher ricochet risk and is also totally illegal if you want to shoot small deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 True al4x. The ethic arguement I dont fully buy though. A gut shot critter with expanding ammo is not a determined guarrenteed outcome! The velocity of the fast 22s do play a part in their destructiveness and some will fly apart too. Besides would I bother....no not really.I would buy a bargin sale of hp match bullets instead. Thats what I use to do and had no issues. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 believe me gut shoot with a .243 and 58 vmax you know exactly what is going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Yes. Same here from 30cals. 6,5mm and 357but the context is the fast 22 centerfires. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 .223 with blitz kings and its the same deal mayor damage if the shot is too far back. When there is heaps of ammo designed for humane kills using fmj's should result in revocation in my mind, there is no need for it at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 .223 with blitz kings and its the same deal mayor damage if the shot is too far back. When there is heaps of ammo designed for humane kills using fmj's should result in revocation in my mind, there is no need for it at all Perhaps a tad harsh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Perhaps a tad harsh! or a prosecution for causing unnecessary suffering perhaps, there is good reason they are illegal on deer so why treat any other quarry to inappropriate bullets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 or a prosecution for causing unnecessary suffering perhaps, there is good reason they are illegal on deer so why treat any other quarry to inappropriate bullets More appropriate bullets may be available, but there are better of most things in life. A well placed FMF will not cause any unnecessary suffering, there has been an argument for some time that better expanding, virtually exploding bullets make us lazy with shot placement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 well placed where? are we talking head shots or going for heart lung which is going to result in runners though they will die but not the instant put downs you get with some of the decent varmint bullets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 well placed where? are we talking head shots or going for heart lung which is going to result in runners though they will die but not the instant put downs you get with some of the decent varmint bullets Come on al4x, loads of the expanding/exploding ammo we have now is a recent invention, nobody complained years ago when such stuff wasn't available..... and foxes died! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Oh I'll say in an ideal world with ideal placement they will kill but why bother there are far better alternatives out there that give you far more margin for error there just is no need to go foxing with FMJ's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 And when someone is prosecuted for causing suffering with an expanding bullet then what? It's this black and white world cropping up again! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Oh I'll say in an ideal world with ideal placement they will kill but why bother there are far better alternatives out there that give you far more margin for error there just is no need to go foxing with FMJ's I'm not arguing with that; and I can't remember the last time I fired any calibre of FMJ at anything alive, but revoking an FAC for using FMJ seems a bit strong. If the Government, or the mass of animal rights groups were concerned they would be campaigning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 I'm not arguing with that; and I can't remember the last time I fired any calibre of FMJ at anything alive, but revoking an FAC for using FMJ seems a bit strong. If the Government, or the mass of animal rights groups were concerned they would be campaigning! they probably assume people use the proper ammo, seems they might be mistaken in that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 they probably assume people use the proper ammo, seems they might be mistaken in that PROPER ammo, what is that , if the Police/Government/Home Office were that concerned they would issue Expanding ammo automatically on ALL FAC conditioned for Field work, they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 don't they? I must say I've always had expanding without having to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) I then got hold of some Hornady V-Max in (As I recall - All the gear is still with my mate so I can't be 100% certain) 52g which gave an even tighter group - Much closer to a 1/2 inch 5 shot group over 100 yards so I have decided that it is those that suit my rifle best If they are 52gr they are AMax I moved from VMax to AMax for foxes a) they group better and I can run them faster (in my rifle) b ) they are cheaper and come through the post c) there is no discernable difference between the two. I get slightly more exit wounds with AMax leading me to believe they are less explosive but the foxes don't notice FMJ's on the other hand I will not advocate using, especially when AMax exist. Sierra Matchkings have been known just to banana instead of opening up from the meplat:not conducive to a predictable wound tract Violently fragmenting ammunition may well be a relatively new trend but game focused bullets have always had a design element to open up to "wider than calibre" and deform to "lose" energy in the target quarry instead of zipping straight through. there is just no reason to use FMJ when there are quarry designed bullets that are just a cheap, some of which are postable Personally I only choose VMax/AMax bullets due to ground consideration when I want zero exits or vastly reduced residual weight left in the bullet. I don't see them as a "stop them in their tracks" bullet, am sure you can still **** it up if you shoot them in the wrong place. Edited June 27, 2013 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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