norfolk dumpling Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I'm interested to see what my other shoots are up to - one is large and semi-commercial and keeper seems to know nothing about HMRC activities. Or so he says! Run by a very tight-***** farmer so watch this space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockerman59 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 norfolk dumpling - Yes big shoots are suffering around us, I am stopping going to large shoots, its the ones where I have to distance to travel 100 miles round trip - that £22 pounds fuel + food pay £25 pounds, I was happy to break even Now I would have to go to the hassle of filling in a tax form for them to tax me £10 pounds, so I am misus £10 pounds every time I beat, no thanks Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldypurple Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 have pm'd you Norfolk dumpling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil3728 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 As with most things that HMRC do, they are planned for a long timne in advance, we had staff on courses 2 years befiore RTI even came in trying to work out how it would operate. To companies that were following the correct PAYE rules before it has made no differnec. RTI is all about the employer registering the pay details of their staff in real time, i.e. every time they make a payment to the staff they have to notify the revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Hence why I am not beating for a large estate as still get the same amount but have to declare it at the end of the year so get taxed now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 ...but you have always been laible to pay tax on your earnings from beating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockerman59 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Get real, before you turned up, keeper came round at dinner gave you your £25 pounds and that was that. Now, name, address, and NI number, you can say you had to pay tax on your earning but how many did. Nobody I ever beat with. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masmiffy Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Get real, before you turned up, keeper came round at dinner gave you your £25 pounds and that was that. Now, name, address, and NI number, you can say you had to pay tax on your earning but how many did. Nobody I ever beat with. Dave This is true of most shoots I would imagine I know it was when I was beating. I put the cash in my pocket went home and it got put in my 'shooting and dog food fund' mind that was in the days of £80 / 1000 cartridges!! Presume we are supposed to pay tax on the 'game' we sell like pigeons and rabbits!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Get real, before you turned up, keeper came round at dinner gave you your £25 pounds and that was that. Now, name, address, and NI number, you can say you had to pay tax on your earning but how many did. Nobody I ever beat with. Dave That may well be how it was, and it was also similar to that in many other industries, but it doesn't matter how you dress it up, it's still tax evasion and therefore illegal. Surely you wouldn't expect to not pay tax on the income from your main job, so why is this any different? If you decide not to go beating because it's not cost effective, that's up to you. After all, you wouldn't do any other job if it cost you more to get there than you earned? But you can't blame HMRC if they have brought in a system which has stopped you evading tax on your income, that is their job! Edited October 3, 2013 by ColinF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockerman59 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 But you can't blame HMRC if they have brought in a system which has stopped you evading tax on your income, that is their job! I will leave the thread alone now, but I am sure that most people would think that if the HMRC spent there time sorting out the real tax evaders, instead of the penny pinching the country will be far better off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I will leave the thread alone now, but I am sure that most people would think that if the HMRC spent there time sorting out the real tax evaders, instead of the penny pinching the country will be far better off That is exactly what they have done, it just so happens that shoots and beaters are also caught by the new rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 People are still saying they are being asked to pay their tax. Any commercial shoot that doesn't offer to do this for you deserves to struggle getting beaters. Most of the recent emails I have had from NOBS regarding beating opportunities clearly state 'taxed at source' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masmiffy Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Surely a real simple way of resolving this whole issue is for the shoots to 'up' the days beating money by the amount of tax you would have to pay! If they agree to stop the tax at source then the beaters should still go home with the same days money the expected! Or all beaters become 'travellers' cos they never seem to pay any ******* tax!!! Edited October 3, 2013 by masmiffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Surely a real simple way of resolving this whole issue is for the shoots to 'up' the days beating money by the amount of tax you would have to pay! If they agree to stop the tax at source then the beaters should still go home with the same days money the expected! Or all beaters become 'travellers' cos they never seem to pay any ******* tax!!! And one of those two options is exactly what every commercial shoot I know of has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddywack12 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I will leave the thread alone now, but I am sure that most people would think that if the HMRC spent there time sorting out the real tax evaders, instead of the penny pinching the country will be far better off Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I have just told the estate i beat for i will not be attending. They have dropped the beaters pay to pay some tax on our behalfs which is poppy cock! We or some of us are being ripped off now by the shoot! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 People are still saying they are being asked to pay their tax. Any commercial shoot that doesn't offer to do this for you deserves to struggle getting beaters. Most of the recent emails I have had from NOBS regarding beating opportunities clearly state 'taxed at source' That's why I won't be beating on one shoot as still the same money £30 but have to pay tax yourself out of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Yep and it's not just the likes of Amazon, Starbucks etc we are talking about. How many times has a workman suggested cash and no VAT?? A shooting friend of mine, a SE painter and decorator told me he does 2 days a week small jobs cash only. He and his wife use this cash as their day to day housekeeping. How will HMRC sort these out? Fairly recently another neighbour, a senior policeman who commissioned a £7k job I was sharing cost of asked me for cash as he had negotiated a discount - difficult to refuse but shows us extent of this. Puts our £25 beaters wages into perspective! Anyhow doing 2 shoots so far: £37.56 gross for one and £30 gross (both using new tax rules) the other and possibly another 2 that appear to be £25 cash and no questions asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Another variation on the theme of overcoming tax issues - one farmer who runs a shoot where 4/5 days are sold isn't paying beaters but they will get a Xmas card with a few drinking vouchers and a good end of season day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted October 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Another variation on the theme of overcoming tax issues - one farmer who runs a shoot where 4/5 days are sold isn't paying beaters but they will get a Xmas card with a few drinking vouchers and a good end of season day. As its a payment to an employee, its still taxable. Hiding the money in a Christmas card doesn't make it tax free...... As he will probably be claiming a deduction for the cost beaters in his books against the income from the sold days, it won't take HMRC long to get to the bottom of it if he ended up with an enquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 You are a miserable *** aren't you...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockerman59 Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) ColinF I only have one name to say David Hartnett Edited October 6, 2013 by Cockerman59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 I know of a shoot where they are paying the tax for them. Full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted October 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 You are a miserable *** aren't you...... Not at all. People come on here looking for information, and there has been lots of rubbish posted on this thread about what beaters can and can't do. I'm just letting people know the facts, rather than what they heard in the pub, or the local farmers tax scam. If you don't like the tax rules don't blame me, I can tell you what they are, but I can't change them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted October 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 ColinF I only have one name to say David Hartnett Thanks for sharing, please let us know if you manage to come up with any more names..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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