David BASC Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 As I have said, any updates will be on the BASC web site, and I will be happy to post links as and when to help. I cannot pass comment on the constitution of the new group I am afraid but the important thing is that I am absolutely sure that all those involved in this group will bring their relevant skills and resources to support the common objective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Spoken like a true politician David, but you've evaded the question: Why are BASC not a member of this new group.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Spoken like a true politician David, but you've evaded the question: Why are BASC not a member of this new group.? This is the way it has been right through, vague answers and only when pressed at that. I would have expected the Voice Of Shooting to be far more strident in its views and actions, not some mouse in the background that only squeaks when it has to try and stop itself from looking completely ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Our position on lead is clear and our actions to protect the use of lead over many decades are well documented. Ignore that if you want to but it will not change the facts. I can only repeat to keep an eye on the BASC web site, and for those who are members our magazine for any updates / call to action Also those who are members can email us if they have any other questions Thank you David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 If anyone is ignoring anything David it is yourself... ..& that's a simple question. Just in case you missed it, I'll repeat it. Why are BASC not a member of this new group.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Seems a straight forward question to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 OK, have a good look at the press release from the CA, then have a good look at the press release from BASC, compere the two and you will: a. Answer your own question b. Have a clear understanding of BASC's role c. Perhaps finally accept that we are moving forwards together in a positive way David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 a. Answer your own question............Lets have it in laymen's terms David b. Have a clear understanding of BASC's role..........Up to now it's in supportive mode, it's not part of. c. Perhaps finally accept that we are moving forwards together in a positive way.........Hopefully. Your evasive way of answering questions do BASC no favours at all David, it's a perfectly simple question. I bet there's quite a few BASC members reading this thread wanting to know the answer. This is a new group that has been formed, nothing to do with the former LAG, so why did BASC not join the new group as a full member.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 If anyone is ignoring anything David it is yourself... ..& that's a simple question. Just in case you missed it, I'll repeat it. Why are BASC not a member of this new group.? My guess is simply because there is no new group. Rather, those members of the LAG who resigned submitted their own report as they did not back the LAG one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 My guess is simply because there is no new group. Rather, those members of the LAG who resigned submitted their own report as they did not back the LAG one. I would go along with that. The unhappy LAG members submitted an alternative report due to the concerns raised by Barney White-Spunner and the various organisations have thrown their weight behind in full support of what the alternative report proposes. No new group as such, just an affiliation of like minded organisations lending their weight to the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 My guess is simply because there is no new group. Rather, those members of the LAG who resigned submitted their own report as they did not back the LAG one. As well as the Countryside Alliance this new group includes the Gun Trade Association, National Game Dealers Association and the Country Land and Business Association, with the support of the British Association of Shooting and Conservation. Not according to the above quote Charlie, it is a new group & BASC aren't part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 OK, i will make it as simple as I can There is no new group - its made up of those on LAG that were representing the shooting community,the gun trade , then land interests and game dealing interests who have written a separate report BASC's support in this is very clearly stated in our press release - including process mapping and the evaluation of the evidence, the commissioning of an independent review and the provision of scientific modelling. So there it is - I hope that's clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWAG Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 There are none so blind as those who do not want to see ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 There are none so blind as those who do not want to see ! . I'm not the only one then, quite a few have voiced their opinions. Run it passed me then why BASC are better out than in.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Not according to the above quote Charlie, it is a new group & BASC aren't part of it. Seems to be a bit of a conflicting quote as the CA state.............. I have this sneaky feeling that BASC is talking up their roll just a little. Countryside Alliance Executive Chairman Barney White-Spunner writes: I am happy to be able to update you on where we are with the lead issue following my resignation from the Lead Ammunition Group a few weeks ago. I promised that we were in no way moving away from the issue and can now explain what I mean by that. Two Lead Ammunition Group (LAG) reports have now been presented to Defra. The first report has been tabled by the Chairman John Swift, and is the same report over which we raised over 170 comments and with which we refused to be associated, hence the resignation from the LAG. A second report has now been tabled by the now four ex-members of the LAG. As well as the Countryside Alliance this new group includes the Gun Trade Association, National Game Dealers Association and the Country Land and Business Association, with the support of the British Association of Shooting and Conservation. Our report has made full use of all available scientific material, reached balanced and objective conclusions, and we have made a series of recommendations to Defra based on the evidence presented rather than on any previously held positions as regards the use of lead. We will release the full report in due course once we have received an indication from Defra that they are happy for us to do so. The reports are both now with Defra and it is for Defra officials to decide how to take the matter forward and how to deal with the fractured Lead Ammunition Group. However, we feel quietly confident that the decision from Defra will allow us to continue to move this debate cohesively forward. Edited June 30, 2015 by CharlieT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 If you want to ignore what I have said or what our Chairman has said, there is no point in me repeating myself so please call Barney at the CA who I am sure will be happy to put you in the picture, and confirm BASC's role in all this, the value of our input and how important it is we are working together on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbox Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 This is why I subscribe to BASC. Other shooting organisations offer similar benefits in terms of insurance etc, but to my mind it is always BASC that go to bat for us shooters politically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 This is why I subscribe to BASC. Other shooting organisations offer similar benefits in terms of insurance etc, but to my mind it is always BASC that go to bat for us shooters politically. I don't understand the reason for this post, what exactly have BASC done that has not been equalled or some would say exceeded by the CA. Perhaps you could explain, as an example, where the CA has been lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 I suspect all tbox is doing is expressing his personal view that he sees BASC being more politically active across the board on shooting issues than some others, not too surprising because that what we focus our political activity on. I doubt he is wanting to get into a tit for tat discussion as it will get us nowhere The important thing is that the organisations involved in this new project are working together and bringing to the project the skills and resources they have, its simple teamwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 If "The Voice of Shooting" is no more and we're all 'in it' "Together", surely discussion is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 BASC is certainly still here and we work with other organisations on issues of join interest all the time, this is just one, all be it very high profile, example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 BASC is certainly still here and we work with other organisations on issues of join interest all the time, this is just one, all be it very high profile, example Very surprised that you haven't noticed or that someone hasn't told you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Told me what, I am a tad confused by your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Told me what, I am a tad confused by your post? I don't think I'm the only one who has noticed that the "Voice of Shooting" seems to have disappeared - possibly replaced by, "Actions Speak Louder Than Words" and also that, "together" seems to be the new 'buzz' word. Not criticising or BASC bashing as, after all, otherwise we'd still be watching the Leonard Rossiter and Joan Collins advert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Ah I see, although absolutely nothing to do with this campaign, I will clarify those points for you. The 'Actions Speak Louder' line has been used on BASC adverts for a few years. The Voice of Shooting is no longer used as the main BASC strapline but is now the title of the section in the BASC mag which focusses on the key news stories surrounding our sport, The BASC strapline has changed, as has the BASC logo, as part of the evolution of BASC under our new CEO, and our new strapline is 'Together- for shooting, conservation the future and you' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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