Mentalmac Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Hi Guys, My 2002 shogun engine has killed itself. Heads cracked, already been skimmed before it would appear. water marks and scores on pistons and liners... Guess it needs reconning and rebuilding... I have read a lot of bad reviews of engine re-builders who con you and ouhave to pay endless money and they don't do engine etc...My heads cracked, pisons scored and water marks etc... Feel a full engine rebuild is needed.Can anybody reccomend me anybody to undertake this work?Cheers,Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philm Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Try adding your location, it may help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogc Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I was going to say ask on the Mitsubishi forum but noticed you already have. Good luck with the repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Sorry chaps, it's in suny Colchester in Essex. yea, stuck it on POCUK too. So upset by it all, money I haven't got :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 how much bottom end damage has been done? the heads you can get from milners either built up or bare and use your valves etc and they start from about £400 so not the end of the world. I had an L200 done by a garage with the same engine and that was about a grand all up and that had been run leaking for ages till the crack got substantially worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 how much bottom end damage has been done? the heads you can get from milners either built up or bare and use your valves etc and they start from about £400 so not the end of the world. I had an L200 done by a garage with the same engine and that was about a grand all up and that had been run leaking for ages till the crack got substantially worse In fairness, there is no pitting. Just looks like water damamge in the bores (Like when waters got in and leaves that stain), and the piston liners slightly scored. What would you advise I should do? At the moment I'm staring down the barell of a £1600 engine, £500 to fit it, probably having to buy new injectors if the old ones breaktaking them out of head (Happened before?) at £100 each, then gasket kits etc... to fit ancillaries etc... Looking at best part of £3500 :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 My mechanic is very good and will do this work for you, honest bloke just him and his brother who run the place but have built up a good reputation through word of mouth and the company has grown. Only problem its in Hoddesdon so a good 60 mile away from Colchester if interested drop me a PM and will send you over his details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 My mechanic is very good and will do this work for you, honest bloke just him and his brother who run the place but have built up a good reputation through word of mouth and the company has grown. Only problem its in Hoddesdon so a good 60 mile away from Colchester if interested drop me a PM and will send you over his details. PM sent :-). Will call and discuss with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 In fairness, there is no pitting. Just looks like water damamge in the bores (Like when waters got in and leaves that stain), and the piston liners slightly scored. What would you advise I should do? At the moment I'm staring down the barell of a £1600 engine, £500 to fit it, probably having to buy new injectors if the old ones breaktaking them out of head (Happened before?) at £100 each, then gasket kits etc... to fit ancillaries etc... Looking at best part of £3500 :-( i wouldn't be spending that on it, I can't remember which engine the shoguns have on that year your best option may be to ebay it as is and describe the fault. Or you need a decent cheap mechanic to rebuild it or the last option is to buy a second hand engine and take a punt on it being ok when fitted but that would be my last option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 i wouldn't be spending that on it, I can't remember which engine the shoguns have on that year your best option may be to ebay it as is and describe the fault. Or you need a decent cheap mechanic to rebuild it or the last option is to buy a second hand engine and take a punt on it being ok when fitted but that would be my last option I know, scary figures. Have found a second hand engine much cheaper that I'll give a go instead. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) i wouldn't be spending that on it, I can't remember which engine the shoguns have on that year your best option may be to ebay it as is and describe the fault. Or you need a decent cheap mechanic to rebuild it or the last option is to buy a second hand engine and take a punt on it being ok when fitted but that would be my last option Most likely the 4d56 engine, fit a new head don't worry about the water marks they will soon polish away Or fit a 4m40 engine Edited July 6, 2013 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I would strongly advise getting the radiator refurbished or properly flushed before running it again, I have owned shoguns for the last ten years and reading up overheating and head gasket/warping problems seem to be one of the main pitfalls , my brother brought an old 2.8lwb which ran fine below 2500 rpm but as soon as he gave it some stick it boiled over and the head gasket went , fingers crossed my only issue so far has been a split turbo pipe , otherwise they are brilliant and capable cars , hope you get yours sorted soon , what year and cc is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 It's faulty heads no issues on over heating they crack simple as, if the mechanic above is right then the 4d56 heads are available built up from milners for 400 odd quid they also do all the gaskets etc and then fit or get someone to fit. My old one with that engine wasps king for ages but was fine after the new head went on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 It's faulty heads no issues on over heating they crack simple as, if the mechanic above is right then the 4d56 heads are available built up from milners for 400 odd quid they also do all the gaskets etc and then fit or get someone to fit. My old one with that engine wasps king for ages but was fine after the new head went on I wonder why the op's heads have been skimmed already then? Nothing to do with warping and head gasket leaking due to overheating if your right but maybe you think they were skimmed due to a crack ? not sure how to do the whistling smiley ? No shortage of head gasket problems on POCUK forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 And round that year the 4d56 heads had serious issues 2002 to 2003 were the worst, as its cracked as he mentioned in the first post it's junk but because its a regular thing there are loads of replacements about and cheap compared to most cylinder heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I know a cracked head is junk Alex, but why would you suggest the heads had already been skimmed by a previous owner on a ten year old car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Is it 3.5v6 GDI?-I have a complete car on my drive that bin sat there for nearly 2 years-gippo's have cut the CAT off it and its got a flat but otherwise its all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 And round that year the 4d56 heads had serious issues 2002 to 2003 were the worst, as its cracked as he mentioned in the first post it's junk but because its a regular thing there are loads of replacements about and cheap compared to most cylinder heads Are you sure a cracked heads junk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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