bk Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Noone has mentioned the 70gr nosler. Superb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 It's made by Nosler - I begrudge paying the same price for 50 rounds as I pay for 100 of other maker's products! Premium deer bullets excluded of course as the gains far outweigh the ammo cost no matter what bullet you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 It's made by Nosler - I begrudge paying the same price for 50 rounds as I pay for 100 of other maker's products! Premium deer bullets excluded of course as the gains far outweigh the ammo cost no matter what bullet you use. They come in 100's and not much more than anything else. Much more consistant though. http://www.dauntseyguns.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=NOSLER-39532&cat=50000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choke it Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) I have used 58 g heads and at the mo iam using 55 g heads which are deadly I cant see me going back to 58g heads again the foxes hate them lol iam shooting them out of an howa 1500 lighting with a black houge stock and 5 mag conversion which shoots like a dream even though the mag kit is all plastic ive had this howa from new when they first come out got it from uk custom gun aka wildcat rifles I wouldn't change it for the world ive shot a lot more deer and foxes with this rifle then lads with top of the range kit the only thing I want to do now is put a thumb hole stock on there if one comes up cheap Edited August 4, 2013 by choke it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) They come in 100's and not much more than anything else. Much more consistant though. http://www.dauntseyguns.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=NOSLER-39532&cat=50000 Are Dauntsey local to you then BK? I've moved most of my spending over to then recently. I really like the staff and they have a good range at decent prices. I'll certainly be getting my rifle from them assuming I buy new. Those Noslers are still a tenner per hundred more than Hornady. I'm feeling a bit tight when it comes to foxing bullets because I don't get any return on them unlike the deer. Having said that my favourite .223 bullet is the 55gr Berger Varminter and they're a similar price to the Noslers! I'd never noticed that before! Edit.... Cheers for the feedback on the Howa Choke it - I forgot to reply to your post after getting into the subject of Noslers! Edited August 4, 2013 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 No mate, just trying to get an idea how much they are over here. Ive been getting better results than the vmax with these but the vmax are still a good bullet for fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXHUNTER1 Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 55, 58 , 75 , 87 , 100 they all do the job , I don't suppose the foxes mind what they are hit with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Played with mine yesterday, with the 58's I'm now an inch and a half high at 100 an inch high at 200 and spot on at 300 now that is rather a nice trajectory on our ground, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 That's one hell of a long point and shoot range! 1.5" high is nothing on a fox if you're smacking them square on centre of mass at the front end as I usually do. What's your reason for going so light though? Just a trajectory thing? Or do you like seeing the red mist in the lamp when you shoot bunnies?! On a side note to the .243 I also entered the info for my 55gr Berger .223 loads into the calculator, as well as the info for my .17 Hornet. It turns out that at 300 yards the 55gr .223's drift about 6" and drop about 5" more than the average .243 bullet. That's quite a difference. More interesting than that though is that the .17, running assumed max loads with 25gr V-Max, drops and drifts less than the above .223 load?! I've not had a chance to work up the Hornet loads and chrono them yet so am just going with book data, but I was surprised with that result. I thought it would drift much more. I've emailed my local shop to see if they can get me a 20" fluted Howa sporter. I'm pretty sure that's what I'll go with, and will pick up a mag kit for it if and when I feel I need to. Being a .243 I think I'll steer clear of used kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 I don't have cause to use the .243 on the fox very often and almost always feed in with PRVI 90g SP which does for deer and Fox. If needs and situation dictate, the .243 gets 55/58g V-Max which in the right situation is BRILLIANT for fox for me in my T3 Hunter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 That's one hell of a long point and shoot range! 1.5" high is nothing on a fox if you're smacking them square on centre of mass at the front end as I usually do. What's your reason for going so light though? Just a trajectory thing? Or do you like seeing the red mist in the lamp when you shoot bunnies?! the reason for light is exactly that trajectory, our ground has a fair few tracks and large fields and I don't have the time to walk 1500 acres in an evening so from the truck its an awesome point and shoot bullet. I was using the 75's and do have a load left but these 58's have been doing the business for a while now. As I don't tend to shoot rabbits with it often thats less concern but I can say the few I have shot at decent range didn't know much about it. The wind difference may be an inch or two different to the 75's but really that is not usually that relevant at the distances we shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodydog Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I have used Fiocchi 70grn shoots very flat and destroys foxes also Sako 70grn bt. Woodyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Have you thought about a .22-250 instead of a .243 or have you got your heart set on that calibre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 why though, you can get 22-250 levels of performance from a .243 with the light bullets but then you have the ability to shoot heavier bullets far easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 i use 70g blitzking they are very good on foxes and deer best of both worlds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Al4x pretty much summed up my thoughts on the .22-250. It is a great little round but the .243 can match it's performance whilst being more versatile. When I said deer not important I wasn't being that clear - I don't want a bullet that performs well on deer but I know that if I do see one and want to shoot it anything will do if you place it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 the odds are if you have a couple of deer bullets with you the POI won't be far out at 100 yards. My 85 grain bullets are half an inch high at 100 compared to 58's which are inch and a half, that makes it rather easy to swap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal 7888 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Norma 75g vmax Norma 58g VMAX!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Horndy 58 grain V Max go well in my Tikka Varmit stainless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 above 70gr and less than 100gr IMO this is the optimum weight range for the .243 lighter and you are just burning powder to achieve velocities better suited to .22cf heavier and you are pushing the boundaries of a factory barrel none of this matters if you are a fox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 At the moment I'm swaying between the 65 or 75gr Hornady V-Max. They're cheap and I have never had serious complaints about them in other calibres. They also seem to have a good supply chain locally. My favourite make is Berger, but they're a nightmare to get hold of so that puts me off. I've seen a few youtube videos of people using the 75gr V-Max for deer and they drop well with heart lung shots. I suppose that's a given - I would like to know what damage they do mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 I figured I'd chase this topic up rather than start a new one. Today I went on a road trip to get some work done on a mate's rifle. We ended up at Chris Blackburn's place and he happened to have Nosler 70gr BT in stock so that's what I've decided to use. As Hornady have halted production on both the 65gr and 75gr 6mm offering it seems pointless to load those. 58gr seems too light and 87 too heavy, so the award went to Nosler as they still offer the weight I want, My local place also stocks 70gr Nosler, so when these run out I can get more. Now all I need is the gun, some dies and some brass. If anyone has any consumables going spare I'd be glad to hear about it. Drop me a PM and I'll get back to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 I figured I'd chase this topic up rather than start a new one. Today I went on a road trip to get some work done on a mate's rifle. We ended up at Chris Blackburn's place and he happened to have Nosler 70gr BT in stock so that's what I've decided to use. As Hornady have halted production on both the 65gr and 75gr 6mm offering it seems pointless to load those. 58gr seems too light and 87 too heavy, so the award went to Nosler as they still offer the weight I want, My local place also stocks 70gr Nosler, so when these run out I can get more. Now all I need is the gun, some dies and some brass. If anyone has any consumables going spare I'd be glad to hear about it. Drop me a PM and I'll get back to you.[/quote You won't go wrong with the 70's. they're great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Trajectory is far easier and quicker to dope than gusting changeable winds. Why shoot the light bullets when 75/87's particularly do such a good job. Make no mistake, 87's will still show very destructive expansion even on extremely light bodies such as crows or magpies. That's what I was thinking. Mind you at the ranges I shoot at the .243 is going to be more than enough no matter what bullet I'm throwing! I rarely shoot past 200 yards, more often 100. The reason I went for 70's is that I wasn't sure about the expansion on smaller quarry with anything heavier. I've read in several places that the 87gr V-Max is a popular deer bullet, which put me off a little. Chris suggested I went for 80gr Berger Varminters but they are a pig to get hold of around here. The Noslers are on the shelf at Dauntsey so when these are gone it will be easy to source more, assuming they work ok in the gun of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 I'm hoping to pick the gun up next weekend so I'll let you know how I get on. Can't see any 400 yard magpies happening any time soon though, that's bloody good shooting. Far better than I could pull off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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