karpman Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I dont own any of the land i shoot various vermin species over-i shoot because i enjoy shooting.This really is my truth. When rabbits are eating a farmers OSR for example, this does not affect me financially in any shape or form so really i should have zero intrest in culling them,but i do it because i enjoy it.Does that make me a bad person? I dont think so-just honest. It's not just my heartbeat that raises when I hear the geese coming. Last time I called a fox into shotgun range my pulse got so high I had to take a few deeps breaths and steady my self. Stalking upto a rabbit and lining up the cross hairs on the sweet spot gets the old ticker racing too, I breath get steady and take the shot and if all has gone well I go to collect my prize. These are just some of the things I love about shooting, a small part of my love but significant none the less. Much like the rush of seeing that bobbin twitch whilst carping with a single bleep . Should I hit it should I wait and sometimes the descison is made for you when the line starts singing from the bait runner and your body go'es into overdrive. I don't get the same excitement from shooting clays or targets. And just being there is more often than not a pleasure in itself. Karpman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I thought that there were twins posting on here. I am obviously mistaken as both - I'm sure - are hunting and shooting chaps - don't you just know it. :lol: The "twins" seem to have a very similar and distinctive "style". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2012 Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 If i shoot for fun i shoot a few i.e under 20 and later eat then if i shoot for control I'll shoot every one i see and either dispose via the dump after giving out as many as i can to the local restraints, pubs and butchers. There is nothing wrong in enjoying shooting. FOR FUN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I enjoy the challenge of the hunt, the field craft, the skill of shooting, driving off road, being with nature, cooking, eating etc etc Its far from all about the kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 You have a singular talent for writing drivel - at great length. In the circumstances, I'll take that as a generous comment. I thought that there were twins posting on here. I am obviously mistaken as both - I'm sure - are hunting and shooting chaps - don't you just know it. :lol: The "twins" seem to have a very similar and distinctive "style". Herewith my last muntjac. Perhaps my "twin" will oblige with a similar "trophy"? I enjoy the challenge of the hunt, the field craft, the skill of shooting, driving off road, being with nature, cooking, eating etc etc Its far from all about the kill. I'm sure both "sides" will claim your opinion as their own, but this is precisely the point I'm striving to make. Provided it isn't all about the kill, I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 neutron619 - it was not a compliment - even someone with limited intelligence should understand that. There are two posters on this thread whose writing style would be more in keeping with Brian May or Barbara Cartland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 neutron619 - it was not a compliment - even someone with limited intelligence should understand that. There are two posters on this thread whose writing style would be more in keeping with Brian May or Barbara Cartland. Could you just clarify whether that's limited to the degree of misunderstanding compliments, or limited only as far as recognising sarcasm? If I see Brian May, I'll be sure to send him a TB-infected badger, since there's nothing worth saying to someone that misguided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakland rob Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Mods - Please close this thread, ***...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 The thrill is in the chase ,not in the kill . Harnser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Yup - I think I've reached my boredom threshold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Mods - Please close this thread, ***...! Sod that it's just getting good. I have a beer in hand tonight lol. Karpman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) I'm sure both "sides" will claim your opinion as their own, but this is precisely the point I'm striving to make. Provided it isn't all about the kill, I'm happy. Are they not intrinsically coupled? I enjoy shooting, I enjoy the sight of an animal that 'needs' be shot, once I've pulled the trigger I don't cry....or whoop about it...after 6 pages of this I don't get your point. Edited September 20, 2013 by kyska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 neutron619 - don't try to appear clever - you really don't have the intelligence to carry it off. As for your photo - if that is you - why kill a muntjac? It wasn't necessary. You could have bought food instead. Perhaps you just felt like shooting it. :innocent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) neutron619 - don't try to appear clever - you really don't have the intelligence to carry it off. As for your photo - if that is you - why kill a muntjac? It wasn't necessary. You could have bought food instead. Perhaps you just felt like shooting it. :innocent: Whether or not I have intelligence in quantity significant enough for you to feel that I can claim the adjective "intelligent", I am clever enough to recognise that some people will always disagree with each other, that after a time, an entertaining debate turns into a dull exchange of dogma and that there is more to be gained by maintaining one's position honourably without descending into the minutiae of semantic detail and point scoring. I think I'll therefore use the time more worthily doing some organ practice. <sarcasm> I therefore concede defeat - you are clearly correct to hold the view that you do and no-one should be in any doubt that yours is not merely an opinion, but truth! Therefore I will henceforth refuse to waste any mental effort considering the ethics of my hunting, or to waste any effort discussing them with other like- and un-like-minded persons and simply do my utmost to ever increase the number of animals I have killed to date at all costs and without consideration to necessity or reason. Clearly this approach should be followed by all persons entrusted with firearms, for there is no other opinion, ethic or morality which can possibly retain validity in view of your pronouncements. </sarcasm> Regarding the muntjac, I assure you that I did kill it, and that - no doubt in an attempt to provoke further argument - you are wilfully mistaking "reason" for "necessity". I killed the deer because I wanted to eat venison. It was not necessary to kill it, but I did so, having a reason which was other than a simple desire to kill something. In this action, I acted in a fashion consistent with everything I have said thus far and feel no qualms about having done so. For the record, it was extremely tasty. Edited September 20, 2013 by neutron619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 neutron - for the purpose of this debate, I will accept that you killed the muntjac out of necessity - to eat it. I find it just a little odd that you decided to get the occasion photographed. Was that out of necessity or were you proud of shooting the deer? p.s. - your "style" of writing seems odd to me - a bit OTT - scrub the "bit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Whether or not I have intelligence in quantity significant enough for you to feel that I can claim the adjective "intelligent", I am clever enough to recognise that some people will always disagree with each other, that after a time, an entertaining debate turns into a dull exchange of dogma and that there is more to be gained by maintaining one's position honourably without descending into the minutiae of semantic detail and point scoring. I think I'll therefore use the time more worthily doing some organ practice. <sarcasm> I therefore concede defeat - you are clearly correct to hold the view that you do and no-one should be in any doubt that yours is not merely an opinion, but truth! Therefore I will henceforth refuse to waste any mental effort considering the ethics of my hunting, or to waste any effort discussing them with other like- and un-like-minded persons and simply do my utmost to ever increase the number of animals I have killed to date at all costs and without consideration to necessity or reason. Clearly this approach should be followed by all persons entrusted with firearms, for there is no other opinion, ethic or morality which can possibly retain validity in view of your pronouncements. </sarcasm> Regarding the muntjac, I assure you that I did kill it, and that - no doubt in an attempt to provoke further argument - you are wilfully mistaking "reason" for "necessity". I killed the deer because I wanted to eat venison. It was not necessary to kill it, but I did so, having a reason which was other than a simple desire to kill something. In this action, I acted in a fashion consistent with everything I have said thus far and feel no qualms about having done so. For the record, it was extremely tasty. I was going to reply neutron - for the purpose of this debate, I will accept that you killed the muntjac out of necessity - to eat it. I find it just a little odd that you decided to get the occasion photographed. Was that out of necessity or were you proud of shooting the deer? p.s. - your "style" of writing seems odd to me - a bit OTT - scrub the "bit". But more eloquently put.... Are you JonathonL by any chance? Or a clone or something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Whether or not I have intelligence in quantity significant enough for you to feel that I can claim the adjective "intelligent", I am clever enough to recognise that some people will always disagree with each other, that after a time, an entertaining debate turns into a dull exchange of dogma and that there is more to be gained by maintaining one's position honourably without descending into the minutiae of semantic detail and point scoring. I think I'll therefore use the time more worthily doing some organ practice. <sarcasm> I therefore concede defeat - you are clearly correct to hold the view that you do and no-one should be in any doubt that yours is not merely an opinion, but truth! Therefore I will henceforth refuse to waste any mental effort considering the ethics of my hunting, or to waste any effort discussing them with other like- and un-like-minded persons and simply do my utmost to ever increase the number of animals I have killed to date at all costs and without consideration to necessity or reason. Clearly this approach should be followed by all persons entrusted with firearms, for there is no other opinion, ethic or morality which can possibly retain validity in view of your pronouncements. </sarcasm> Regarding the muntjac, I assure you that I did kill it, and that - no doubt in an attempt to provoke further argument - you are wilfully mistaking "reason" for "necessity". I killed the deer because I wanted to eat venison. It was not necessary to kill it, but I did so, having a reason which was other than a simple desire to kill something. In this action, I acted in a fashion consistent with everything I have said thus far and feel no qualms about having done so. For the record, it was extremely tasty. That should keep you quiet for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I find it just a little odd that you decided to get the occasion photographed. Was that out of necessity or were you proud of shooting the deer? Very well, one final response since you ask a valid question: In fact, it was out of necessity. I would not usually wish to take trophies of any kind - heads, photos of dead deer, bones - any of it. I find the idea incompatible with my hunting ethic and more than a little vulgar. However, it was necessary to accumulate a portfolio of evidence for the police to demonstrate the seriousness of my interest in deer stalking, as I wanted at the time to apply for a FAC for a deer rifle. Since I have no land of my own, they wanted to see evidence of deer stalking experience in the form of photos, invoices for bookings etc. My guide on that day took the photo to contribute to that portfolio, but my instinct was against the idea on principle. I must now go and see if I can still play Bach's Dorian Toccata & Fugue, as I may be required to perform them on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Your instinct was against the photo, but you still kept it and published on here. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM You adopt the moral high ground with little, if anything, to support your stance. I actually feel sorry for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Very well, one final response since you ask a valid question: In fact, it was out of necessity. I would not usually wish to take trophies of any kind - heads, photos of dead deer, bones - any of it. I find the idea incompatible with my hunting ethic and more than a little vulgar. However, it was necessary to accumulate a portfolio of evidence for the police to demonstrate the seriousness of my interest in deer stalking, as I wanted at the time to apply for a FAC for a deer rifle. Since I have no land of my own, they wanted to see evidence of deer stalking experience in the form of photos, invoices for bookings etc. My guide on that day took the photo to contribute to that portfolio, but my instinct was against the idea on principle. I must now go and see if I can still play Bach's Dorian Toccata & Fugue, as I may be required to perform them on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Nice Muntjac,having never seen one in the flesh I hadn't realised how small they are.There are none around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 There are plenty near to my home. They vary from a lot smaller to a lot bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakland rob Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Sod that it's just getting good. I have a beer in hand tonight lol. Karpman So Have I But Enough Is Enough..! No wonder the country is in the state it is with some of the comments on here. You reap what you sow..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 So Have I But Enough Is Enough..! No wonder the country is in the state it is with some of the comments on here. You reap what you sow..! The mods round here do a very good job of moderation and I'm sure this thread is being watched closely by more than one of them. If and when it's gets out of hand or damaging it will be locked/pulled. There is a report button also. Karpman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Scully - I have lived in the same house for 40 years and never saw a muntjac. A couple of years ago, a good friend told me that the place was littered with them - there is a country park within a mile. The week after - two hopped over some Armco and crossed the road in front of me. Seen quite a few since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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