Westley Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Hi, I have read all of the above posts and I feel wholeheartedly sorry for you. You have been bombarded with information, some good, some bad. I am sorry to say that, even taking ALL the advice into account, you could still be struggling. Can I ask, which part of the world you are from ? From that information, I may be able to assist with a Shooting Instructor. I would suggest that you first of all need to see an Instructor. He should be able to watch your gun mounting and possibly guide you to getting that right. You then need to practice that, if possible about 10 to 15 minutes a day, at home. When you can mount the gun into the SAME place EVERY time, then and only then, seek out a good stock fitter. He is unable to do his job properly if you can not mount the gun correctly, a bit of a chicken/egg situation. The minute you mention a gun is shooting high/low, everyone jumps to the same conclusion, raise or lower the comb height. This is not always the correct way to go. There are several other factors to consider. Do not rush into this, after all you only want to spend your hard earned cash ONCE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I strongly disagree with this to be a good gun fitter you need to be a competent instructor as gun fit is working the shooter a gun into one entity. Look at the top shooting schools where a wrong gunfit leads to thousands or even 100 thousands being wasted at West London Hollands Bisley And Royal Berkshire all the gun fitters are top instructors before they start gun fittings. Look at APSI courses etc and to attend a gunfitters course your must show your a good instructor first. One of the best stock fitters that I have ever encountered worked at the old Westley Richards gunmakers site, in Birmingham, in the 1960/70's. He would have you shoot at a pattern plate using just 4 cartridges. 2 through your gun and then 2 through the try gun. Usually that was all that was required to 'get it right'. To the best of my knowledge, he never 'instructed' anyone in his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Very few gunsmiths or dealers are well enough versed to be gun fitters and very few gun fitters are good instructors. Besides, unless and until you are confident that your stance and mount are 100% right a fitting is a waste of money. The place to begin is out on the course with a good instructor. Not Joe Hotshot with his 35 ex 50 every week down the club and who knows everything, but a proper recommended instructor. He/she will check everything including fit, advise if a fitting is needed and recommend someone trusted to do the work. You will never regret spending a couple of hundred on a few lessons. I am not an instructor but as gunsmith I do a lot of gun fitting . In numerous cases putting right the wrong information and advice given by so call coaches and instructors who seem to know nothing at all about gun fit or in deed the scope of what can actualy be done to a stock . Half the time they have made no attempt to teach gun mount or stance . I do not say this applies to all instructors and I agree that many shops do not have any one who has any idea about gun fitting . It is a matter of finding the right man to do the job and that is not always simple. My rules for gun fitting - 1 you can not fit a gun to a man who can not shoot 2 you can not fit a gun to a man who will not listen 3 beware the mate at the club 4 just because "I do it /have it does not mean its right for any one else 5 providing the over all parameters are correct you have to learn to shoot the gun 6 stance and mount are 60% of most problems 7 no body talks about shooting ability , some people will never be first rate shooters 8 you have the wrong gun 9 stick to one brand of cartridges and don't keep changing choke until you have the experience to know the difference 10 if you have to think about the shot you will miss , don't think/ worry just shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashman1 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gunmans post makes sense to me also you cant make a silk purse out of a pigs ear atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 It is probably fair to say that from Gunman's '10 commandments' the one that should be the easiest to rectify is the one that never will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 7 lol..... That's me haven't found a bird I can't hit, yet to find one I can 25 ex 25 8 lolol some will be adamant that you can pick up any gun and shoot it well...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 As a gun fitter and instructor I believe its a whole package making man and gun working together, it's the attention to detail that's vital to many amateur coaches think they can do it after a 1 hr CPSA or BASC power point brief. I'm also luck a few very good gunsmiths and stockers have taught me about making the adjustments as well. Gunman I like and agree with your ten points less 6 that I think is a bit higher. But there are far to many 1&2s in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chacotawas Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Is there a "best way" to find a GOOD coach in one's area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Is there a "best way" to find a GOOD coach in one's area? Right on the forum would be as good a place as any to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 As a gun fitter and instructor I believe its a whole package making man and gun working together, it's the attention to detail that's vital to many amateur coaches think they can do it after a 1 hr CPSA or BASC power point brief. I'm also luck a few very good gunsmiths and stockers have taught me about making the adjustments as well. Gunman I like and agree with your ten points less 6 that I think is a bit higher. But there are far to many 1&2s in this world. Amen to that, like you agree to point no. 6, but would raise that to nearer 80%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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