lap9387 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Hi lads, im after a semi auto in camo colours. Must be able to take magnum shells and be steel proofed.... oh, non of this gas operated business. ? what do you recommend? Used, not new... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 3" magnum HP Steel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lap9387 Posted December 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Sorry.... yeah, 3" magnum and whatever steel you use for duck... New perm has duck on it :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I don't know your budget, but I'd start with the Benelli's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 What the heck is wrong with gas op? It is very reliable indeed if you don't buy junk or fail to look after it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm with Kent on this. :good: Less recoil as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) im on the gas gun side as well , less recoil , inertia has the potential to be a pain IF you use light loads , if you ever want to go bust a few clays some can be a bit cartridge fussy . and THIS IS JUST MY opinion but I find the Gas semi autos cycle faster . Edited December 23, 2013 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lap9387 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 The only knowledge I have of a gas semi was a guy whp had nothing but trouble with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 my last comment was from my own experiences , I know its not always possible but can you not get yourself to a clay ground somewhere , there's bound to be chance to have a go of each type there , save yourself some money try before you buy if you can . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 The only knowledge I have of a gas semi was a guy whp had nothing but trouble with it... My wife's cousin had a moped when we were all in our teens, it broke down! She didn't know mopeds needed petrol! A comparison can be drawn. I have a Subaru that's done 160k of hard driving, it drives great! Remember the Yugo? another comparison one of those lumps of junk might struggle to get to 50k unless it was being towed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 What the heck is wrong with gas op? It is very reliable indeed if you don't buy junk or fail to look after it 100% agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 i have 2 sa,1 is a gas 12g,the other a recoil 20g,the gasser does cycle slightly better in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lap9387 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I see.... how does the gas system work then? The local clay ground only has one semi auto... a hatsan escort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) 1. The shell is fired and the shot/wad cup head on down the barrel. 2. As the wad gets to about the end of the forearm, where there is a small hole, or port (sometimes multiple) in the barrel. This is open to the "cylinder" that is integral to the barrel. This is a polished cylinder with an o-ring at the muzzle end that seals the gases from moving forward (towards the muzzle end.) The cylinder also acts to hold the barrel in the receiver when you tighten down the magazine tube cap. 3. Inside the cylinder there is a piston ring that seals the annular area between the magazine tube and the cylinder walls. The piston ring is sometimes a two-piece arrangement, sometimes one piece. 4. The expanding gases from the powder being burned that are pushing the shot/wad out the barrel then also act to push the piston rings rearward along the magazine tube towards the receiver. The cylinder is only an inch or an inch and a half long, and as soon as the piston rings pass beyond the cylinder, all the gases are vented to the inside of the forearm (which is why you'll often see vents in the forearm of gas-operated semi-autos. 5. The "action sleeve" is a metal cylinder that slides up and down along the outside of the magazine tube that is connected to action bars which are connected to the bolt, much like the slide on a pump gun. When the gun is "in battery" the action sleeve is tight against the piston rings. The movement of the piston rings acts on the action sleeve and pushes it towards the receiver very much like the action in a pump gun. This rearward movement unlocks the bolt from the breech, and allows the bolt to move rearward, ejecting the spent hull. ( pinched this off another site , but does the job ) Edited December 23, 2013 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) The local clay ground only has one semi auto... a hatsan escortTry another from a good manufacturer, beretta are all gas operated, browning are mostly gas (except A5), Winchester mostly gas, old franchi are recoil, latest are recoil, 612/712/raptor are gas, Remington not sure. Franchi raptor would be my choice for VFM around £500 used Edited December 23, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Franchi raptor would be my choice for VFM around £500 used ++1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fib new Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I've had a few sa's. All browning by the way. Had some gas operated like the gold and maxus -both great guns. Now have a new a5 recoil operated -also great. No real problems -only the extreme light loads give some troube sometimes. Can't say gas or recoil operated is better than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinchesterDave Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Nothing wwrong with gas operated guns mate.. Your bad experience or friends bad eexperience was probably an un looked after, dirty, cartridge fussy gas gun.. If you go for a decent make, Browning, Beretta, winchester you wont go wrong, all make good gas guns! Plus side to Gas is they are less fussy than inertia I'd say and take some of the recoil off which help if youre using Magnum loads! Never had or fired and inertia gun but I'm Sure if you got a benelli or the New A5 you wont go wrong... Just try a few out mate both inertia/gas operated guns of different makes see which you like and get on with, because at the end of the day any gun will go bang and recycle if fed the right cartridge but it's uuseless if the gun doesn't fit and you can't hit anything! Hope this helps, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Don't Beretta make a cheap inertia semi auto the E100 or something. I have a gas operated semi auto out of choice as I want to reduce the recoil on big steel loads. My SX3 is faultless. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Don't Beretta make a cheap inertia semi auto the E100 or something. I have a gas operated semi auto out of choice as I want to reduce the recoil on big steel loads. My SX3 is faultless. Figgy They do I saw it being tested for review it was carp totally didn't cycle well. The review was glowingly good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 They do I saw it being tested for review it was carp totally didn't cycle well. The review was glowingly good though Isnt it always like that tho? im pretty sure Beretta pay them for good reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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