mda998 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) i have a good mate who can only shoot with one eye closed (he's an awesome shot) 1, do you shoot gun up or gun down ? 2, when do you close your eye? Try standing with the gun out of your shoulder with both eyes open then when you mount the gun close one eye just before the kill zone, If you are pre mounted with one eye shut and therefore rifle every shot it has to be harder to judge distances, where as using your peripheral vision until just before the break point surely has to be easier and worth a go hope this helps Edited January 19, 2014 by mda998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted January 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I always,unless its a teal sort of target, I follow until break point then close my eye, another good day today 21/70!!! My mates 15 yr old son, who maybe shoots 2 times a year shot 43/70. I've decided to increase my enduro racing and sell up.gun on gun watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewall968 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Retro mic Sorry to hear of your frustration, particularly as you have only just got your lovely MX back from UKGRepairs. Shooting is a brilliant sport but also a very frustrating one most of the time. My only tips would be to seek some good coaching help to try to cure you of any bad habits, get a good pre shoot routine, pick up point, gun hold point and kill point and try to go shooting with shooters of a higher standard whenever you can. Gradually it will all start to fall in place and when it does you will wonder why you ever considered giving it up. BTW Where did you shoot today, was it Abbey?? Steve Ps Don't jack it in and don't sell the P gun just yet, persevere with it and you will eventually be rewarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I always,unless its a teal sort of target, I follow until break point then close my eye, another good day today 21/70!!! My mates 15 yr old son, who maybe shoots 2 times a year shot 43/70. I've decided to increase my enduro racing and sell up.gun on gun watch Don't sell too quickly, have a lesson with someone good first, Carl bloxham, Brian Clegg, Dennis Stepney first. Then if you want to sell do so. Sorry i can't name anyone local to you (Richard Faulds maybe?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I always,unless its a teal sort of target, I follow until break point then close my eye, another good day today 21/70!!! My mates 15 yr old son, who maybe shoots 2 times a year shot 43/70. I've decided to increase my enduro racing and sell up.gun on gun watch I've just posted something short on your sales ad, don't give up just yet pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umney531 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 It's all about enjoying your sport keep it up it will come with practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Use the waiting time before each stand to decide exactly where the pick up point is and where you want to be shooting it. Preparation is a big part of shooting. If you miss with the first call DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, Lots of people worry about the finer points of shooting which is fine if you are in a big comp but just enjoy your shooting , the rest will follow naturaly when your more relaxed.. from Auntie. Best advice I've heard in years kermit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardgiles123 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hi I go shooting a lot but seem to be very bad at clays. I don't know why. I was wondering if you could tell me a few tips thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Don't give up stock with it there's a very good coach not far from you at Fennes Farm about 45mins to 1 from you at a guess. Give it ago you've a great gun there and it won't be an unfixable issue stick with it. We know how frustrating it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Ok this was my routine, I watch those who go before me, try to evaluate if the clay is doing something not obvious eg drifting slightly etc. then I try to settle in, dry mount and set my feet for the final clay, slowly place in two carts, breath out slow the practice mounts breath out slowly again and then call, I try to point the barrels up and just below so I can see the clay, I try to mount slow aquire the target with the swing through method mainly, close my left eye just before I fire then hit it miss. I try not to over think it once I've called. If I miss I try to make myself consider a alternate option. I say try as I'm not methodical but try to force myself to be Ok this was my routine, I watch those who go before me, try to evaluate if the clay is doing something not obvious eg drifting slightly etc. then I try to settle in, dry mount and set my feet for the final clay, slowly place in two carts, breath out slow the practice mounts breath out slowly again and then call, I try to point the barrels up and just below so I can see the clay, I try to mount slow aquire the target with the swing through method mainly, close my left eye just before I fire then hit it miss. I try not to over think it once I've called. If I miss I try to make myself consider a alternate option. I say try as I'm not methodical but try to force myself to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewall968 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 No mention in this latest post of pick up point, hold point and kill point..... Above all once you've picked it up, never take your eyes off the clay until you see it break... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 No mention in this latest post of pick up point, hold point and kill point..... Above all once you've picked it up, never take your eyes off the clay until you see it break... Good point but I've said I can't seem to make the connection between fixing on the clay and marrying the barrels to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Good point but I've said I can't seem to make the connection between fixing on the clay and marrying the barrels to it.Ok I am by no means a great shot decidedly average on a good day! it sounds like you are needing something to click, I would question the closing your left eye ( I can't shoot like that so I shoot left handed!) sporting can be a real pain, try shooting skeet or trap, repeatable targets skeet particularly good for this. Have a lesson with a good instructor and work on one bit at a time. I recently went to a sporting ground for some practice shot the first stand 9/10 I couldn't miss ( except one ) carried on like for 50 really hitting them well! Went back to the car got some more carts and then went downhill fast! The next 100 got progressively worst stand 12 i hit 1 maybe 2 ( had given up counting by this point)...... So I Made my way back to the first stand...... 3/12....... Exactly the same birds I had dusted earlier were totally evading me, not sure why but my head had gone and I was tired, I knew I could hit the things I had done earlier i left feeling pretty upset/down about the whole thing. But that's the game. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/225103-kreighoff-k80-v-perazzi-mx12-v-beretta-dt11-opinions-please/?p=1944939 seems it was not always like this............ Edited January 21, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denboy Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Relax and enjoy the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Ok I am by no means a great shot decidedly average on a good day! it sounds like you are needing something to click, I would question the closing your left eye ( I can't shoot like that so I shoot left handed!) sporting can be a real pain, try shooting skeet or trap, repeatable targets skeet particularly good for this. Have a lesson with a good instructor and work on one bit at a time. I recently went to a sporting ground for some practice shot the first stand 9/10 I couldn't miss ( except one ) carried on like for 50 really hitting them well! Went back to the car got some more carts and then went downhill fast! The next 100 got progressively worst stand 12 i hit 1 maybe 2 ( had given up counting by this point)...... So I Made my way back to the first stand...... 3/12....... Exactly the same birds I had dusted earlier were totally evading me, not sure why but my head had gone and I was tired, I knew I could hit the things I had done earlier i left feeling pretty upset/down about the whole thing. But that's the game. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/225103-kreighoff-k80-v-perazzi-mx12-v-beretta-dt11-opinions-please/?p=1944939 seems it was not always like this............ But he changed from a browning to a Perazzi, Could be the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Sounds very familiar HDAV,as for the change from B to P I knew this would unsettle my shooting but the ultra XS was too heavy for walked up and hide shooting and as it was fully adjustable it looked a bit "over the top" I wanted a gun that had my measurements in solid wood,the main difference between them is weight,the P gun is much lighter so that might be the cause,I have had some reasonable rounds with it and some utter disasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I was speaking to a respected gun smith ( one you may have dealt with) and he said "some people can't shoot 29 1/2" perazzi barrels they are too light!" Perhaps you are one of these? The Ultra is quite a heavy gun the P may be rather quicker, I need a heavy steady gun and am looking for a longer heavier trap gun 32" MK38/XT etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I always,unless its a teal sort of target, I follow until break point then close my eye, another good day today 21/70!!! My mates 15 yr old son, who maybe shoots 2 times a year shot 43/70. I've decided to increase my enduro racing and sell up.gun on gun watch Been there, done that. Literally! A couple of lessons and a conscious effort to stop worrying about the scores put me back on track eventually. I stopped asking and told my buddies not to bother telling me what my score was until we were back in the clubhouse and on the coffees! My son who also shoots once a month if that also regularly out shoots me! Young eyes and great hand/eye co-ordination mate, can't beat that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Just out of interest,even though i am right eye dominante and right handed,do you think an easy hit bead would help with aquiring target better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mda998 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Just out of interest,even though i am right eye dominante and right handed,do you think an easy hit bead would help with aquiring target better? it may do but i think it will probably draw you eye to it instead of the target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) It shouldn't make much difference to be honest if your dominance is correct, if anything you may, like me, find it distracting. The bead should not be the focus of you attention, it should be the clay, you should be staring at it as if it was about to jump your wife and then bring the gun up to the clay, you must be locked onto that target and allow the rib/bead to just be in your peripheral vision. My instructor calls it hard focus, I call it my death stare. I personally think you need to find a really good instructor by recommendation. I've used 3 instructors at my club but would only recommend one. Not saying the others are carp, but only one seems to be able to teach me in a way I comprehend properly. Edited January 22, 2014 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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