Oops Missed Again Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Where is the auo saftey on a semi auto ?Bingo and thats one of the reasons some shoots don't allow them!!! Edited January 18, 2014 by Oops Missed Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Bingo and thats one of the reasons some shoots don't allow them!!!No it's not its because you can't break the action so people can see your guns safe at a distance. A safety catch does not stop the shotgun firing the only safe gun is an open and empty gun. Edited January 18, 2014 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 A shotgun safety catch just stops the trigger being pulled it does not stop the gun firing for example if you drop it etc. When it's in your hands try firing the gun in safe mode then try firing it in safe off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 All my guns are S X S with auto safe, barring my trusty hammer gun of course. I have had occasional days loading and would not like to have done this with non auto safety catches. As I understand and I am sure some gunsmith on here will correct me if otherwise, that some top of the range guns incorporate in their safety catches a sear which blocks the triggers AND the firing pins! Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 When it's in your hands try firing the gun in safe mode then try firing it in safe off. It won't as the trigger is blocked try smashing the butt on the ground with the safety on or off it will still go bang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 1,Of course it makes a gun more safe because it can't be fired. 2, Every second the gun is in safe mode it is safer. That's why it's called a safety catch. 1: then why is it loaded? Shouldn't be loaded if not ready to fire! 2: every time the safety is applied a loaded gun is left hammers cocked ready to fire if the muzzle is no pointing in a safe direction it should not be loaded! Safeties mean loaded guns, loaded guns are dangerous! There is more danger from a loaded gun with a safety than an unloaded on without! I would rather no safety at all! Gun is loaded, closed and ready to go muzzles safe and shooter set or it is empty! If muzzles are not safe it should not be loaded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 It shouldnt really matter except on a personal preference basis.No-one who has either is going to rely on it being on or that its working. Both types of guns can be dropped and discharge. Focus and attention are required both to apply and release safetys - non auto and auto. Anyone who doesnt release an auto safety isnt paying full attention so perhaps they are better using one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snippy Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I prefer manual safety and have taught my son the same no loaded gun is safe , its the shooter that makes the gun safe not the gun if the gun is dropped and it goes off then as a shooter you would be in the wrong for having a loaded gun in an unsafe position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Well I have learnt a lot about safety tonight. Tomorrow I will remove all the safety devices on my guns as the "experts" on here are saying they are not required. All my customers will have the same advice. And of course I will have to give up walked up shooting as its so dangerous because when I knock the gun it will go off. Edited January 18, 2014 by Oops Missed Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 1: then why is it loaded? Shouldn't be loaded if not ready to fire! 2: every time the safety is applied a loaded gun is left hammers cocked ready to fire if the muzzle is no pointing in a safe direction it should not be loaded! Safeties mean loaded guns, loaded guns are dangerous! There is more danger from a loaded gun with a safety than an unloaded on without! I would rather no safety at all! Gun is loaded, closed and ready to go muzzles safe and shooter set or it is empty! If muzzles are not safe it should not be loaded! Some of the previous posts give credence to not having a safety,as has been said above. If you rely on auto safety you are a step closer to having a tragic accident. I haven't read one post arguing for auto safety that has changed my mind, don't rely on the safety catch, that's why I'd rather guns were made without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Clay shooters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Yes I shoot clays but also wildfowl, rough shoot , decoy pigeons and in a driven syndicate. I load and pick up on grouse and pheasant and have a fair amount of experience and safety catches worry me, especially with inexperienced shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Clay shooters what? If you're daft enough to walk around with a loaded and closed gun relying on the safety catch more fool you......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli383 Posted January 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Ok thanks guys i think i will be leaving it as a manual which also saves me £50 thanks for all the posts and opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Clay shooters... Must be something to do with the clay dust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Clay shooters what? If you're daft enough to walk around with a loaded and closed gun relying on the safety catch more fool you......... I imagine most people who rough shoot and walk around with their guns closed rely on good gun handling and muzzle awareness skills, not the safety catch. The safety is just another layer of safeguard. Clay shooters have to stand in little cages and only load up once they're in them, so they don't need to develop any good gun handling skills, as is apparent from some of the replies in this and every other thread on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I simply do not understand the excitement about this subject. If you want Auto or Manual fine, get what you want. On the whole semis and pumps and older shotguns don't have auto safety, very few rifles have auto safety, so what is the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Dekers I agree have what you want but don't believe the gun is safe just because the safety catch is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 This thread is turning into a joke !! About time it was closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli383 Posted January 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 This thread is turning into a joke !! About time it was closed Sorry wasn't meant to go like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Sorry wasn't meant to go like this Not your fault just every one has their own opinion and arguments start etc I started a post on this ( how much to get auto safety removed ) bad mistake and wish I never bothered ! Any way only cost £25 from local gun smith. Just do what you would like to do ! Have one or don't. All the best Dom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 If this thread is still open later on I'll post some photos of what a safety catch does and how it works so that people can make an informed decision, this needs to be done for safeties sake as reading this thread makes me realise some people rely on the safety to make a gun safe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/272325-how-a-safety-catch-works/?p=2415480&do=findComment&comment=2415480 There you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardgiles123 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 You will get very used to its auto safety as my dad recently bought one. And they are a very good gun. Good choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli383 Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Kept it as a manual for now thanks very much guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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