aris Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 HAHA! now that's a dish and a half. I wondered how all them years a go people looked at their teste's and then at the animals teste's and thought "mmm, these would go nice in a casserole". More likely "We really need to eat every part of this animal if we are to survive". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_in_Devon Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Why is it that some dogs like eating rabbits heads they leave the body but eat the head strange. my biggest problem with tin food is much the same as with buying processed food for me it is the use of mechanically recovered meat where every scrap of meat is scraped off the bones that must include all sorts of nasty stuff and that is why I only eat hole chickens and joints of meat in that way I no what I am eating and any nasty bits go in the bin. I know its not dog, but my cat catchs rabbits and she eats the head first. We sometimes find rabbit bodies in the utility room, she always comes back to finish it tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 love the MRM debate, if you don't want MRM don't eat processed meats...? It's all part of an animal that is edible though. Go to Greece and other parts of the world and they eat teste's, pop over to China and they eat anything that's not feathers from a bird. Even the feet! So putting it all into a nice paste doesn't seem a problem to me. Thats about sums it up , when you read on a packet "formed ham" "formed scampi" etc your pretty much eating MRM as you are if you eat chicken nuggets , tinned hotdogs and suchlike ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 What is MRM? We do what we can not to eat anything processed even make our own bread. The longer you go without processed food the worse it tastes when you try it, especially it takes very salty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 MRM - Mechanically Repossessed Meat. Fenboy knows more about it that I, however it's just meat that has been reclaimed by various methods and turned into a 'meat paste' which can be used for chicken nuggets, ham, scampi, anything like that. There is lots of salt in a lot of processed food, I have cut out most of them myself now especially Ham from the supermarkets. It is hard to avoid processed anywhere down the line. Notice how most things come laced with Sodium Nitrite, a toxic ingredient that the workers who manufacture wear masks and goggles but we happily eat. It's used to keep shelf life longer as they need time when shipping and storing and selling the 'fresh' food. Scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Still watching on plus one bit it's got me thinking about what we feed ours. I reckon it would be a good idea to bring home fish we catch but don't want to eat; dogfish, pout, a few extra mackerel etc. in the summer and boil them up. Add some veggies should make a good meal. Wonder if the bones in something like a raw rabbit would be harmful?? Mine got a side a mackerel yesterday - leftover bait! Bones in RAW rabbit is fine BUT your dog should be accustomed to it enough to understand it cant just neck it, although I have had that happen with an odd dog without ill effects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I thought that the Chinese guy from the vet school was well in the pocket of the dog food companies I bet he gets a good back hander for saying how good there (dog food is) Go in any vets and look at the dried food etc they are selling, get a free sample when you take a puppy in for its first check over etc. Its a business in there not a welfare charity for animals. BTW I should give a puppy dried complete anything despite what the vet says its better to know exactly what is in there, like protein percentages that contain proteins indigestible by the dog. Raw bones I believe in 100% yet I have had a vet tell me not to, gone off the raw meat and raw veg diets, even though it cost next to nothing. Do about 70 /30 split in favour of a complete at present but that's much to do with cost and conveinance and I am now looking to go more back to home cooked, below is how I should like to do most Big stew pot of stock on solid fuel stove, made by boiling up the raw bones of game, rabbits, chicken etc (Remove cooked bone by sieving prior of course). add rice bought in bulk (white at present but looking for a good source of brown now) Meat added cut previously from the bone including fat pluck (heart,liver,lungs and kidneys) Cheap frozen white fish fillets are also great. Now before the water is taken up by the rice and the meat is fully cooked I pour in one full bag of cheap frozen mixed veg (the stuff without broccoli which is said to be toxic for dogs). Once the rice takes up the water allow too cool and bag up then refrigerate or freeze to store. Cheese, raw egg, raw fish can be added as extras / treats and healthy human food table waste, apples and other non citrus fruits (few will eat these anyhow) Dogs do like bananas though amount given should be very small as even in humans they can create heart issues in larger quantity (once saw a springer eat a whole skin when thrown away as waste but I cant recommend it as a food) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) The problem is just because something tastes nice dose not mean that it is something that you would want ether you or your dog to eat look back at Sweeny Tod and the meat pies that his mrs made with his victims bodies pork pies to all intent but I do not think that I would fancy eating one. For the most part we eat what what the people living around us eat we tend not to eat bugs worms and magots but in other parts of the world they look on them as a delicacy in the end most things can be made to taste good and it helps it go down if you do not now what is in it unless it is good old English meat and three veg then you now exactly what you are getting or do you horse comes to mind. Edited January 31, 2014 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I feed mine on eukanuba performance and after seeing this programme googled barf food suppliers. I like the thought of buying it in and not having to mess about stinking the house out preparing the raw meats however I thought they were bloody expensive. It would be about £3 a day for the GWP and about £1.50 for the JRT. That's works out a lot more expensive than the premium dried foods. I do feed bits of raw along with eggs when the hens are laying. I think ill just stick to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Cost me around £20 a month to feed a 50lb lurcher and a 22lb whippet,that's meat if I include bread and veg is maybe 25 quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 You feed less raw then you would need to feed complete and pick up 70%less waste. No long walks and 5 or 6 dumps,just once maybe twice a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 On the subject of raw meat. Having young children did make me a bit concerned,when they talked about the risk of salmonella. Do you reckon that was just a scare story?I spose you would just wash the dogs bowl out straight away. You feed less raw then you would need to feed complete and pick up 70%less waste. No long walks and 5 or 6 dumps,just once maybe twice a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 You feed less raw then you would need to feed complete and pick up 70%less waste. No long walks and 5 or 6 dumps,just once maybe twice a day Do you feed your dogs once or twice a day and is it suppose to be 3-5% of their body weight? My Labs around 33 Kg so 1 KG of mix mince/offal etc sounds about right? Just tried him out on mince beef and a chicken drumstick tonight wasn't messy at all apart from he took the chicken to his bed to eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 What I can tell you is that when they say some tinned dog food only has 4% meat in it then they are talking bull. The 4% is the legal minimum requirement of the meat thats on the label , so if the tin says with beef it has to have a minimum of 4% beef in it , the other meats are just on the label as "meat and other derivatives" , the other meats are not listed individually as they may be changed at any time due to shortages or seasonal changes / availability. The derivatives ar offal , we use kidney , lots of liver , lung, heart and viscera (intestine). Some products will have several "claim meats in so could have 4% chicken 4% beef and 4% lamb lets say , the exact same tin can then be sold as anyone of those just by changing the label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) One look at some of the dog poo on the pavement round here shows how some of the food must be terrible. Occasionally I forgot to order the skinners in time and gave him Baxters or Pedegree instead and the dfference was shocking Edited January 31, 2014 by Nikk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 One look at some of the dog poo on the pavement round here shows how some of the food must be terrible. Occasionally I forgot to order the skinners in time and gave him Baxters or Pedegree instead and the dfference was shocking I was told by my vet to avoid pedigree chum like the plague...I didn't ask why but my dad told me the same thing and he trained police dogs for a number of years whilst he was a police officer... I also drop a cod liver oil tablet in Archie's food as well the vet said it would be good for his joints and coat, and I do believe it's given him some more spring in his step... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Just watched this, I think the bald guy who was doing a lot of the talking owns honeys raw food so he is hardly unbiased. I dont think there is anything wrong with raw but the statements made I don't think could be backed up: Most dogs are in rescue because fed commercial food 9 out of 10 vet visits because of commercial food My puppy is well behaved because it eats raw (think it's just your dog is well behaved !) Dogs never eat poo if fed raw (i have known raw and commercial fed dogs do it) Also the vegans seem to think animals are killed for pet food, most meat in dog food is leftover from human Just hope I'm not reincarnated as a vegans pooch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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