bighit1985 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Hi. Looking to reloading my own shotshells. But where do you find the recipes for them? I have looked through several reloading books but all I see to load data for different powders and loads. I'm looking for 20g and .410g loads for both game and clays for each. Any help would be great. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Lots of 20g and .410 here. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/index.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 what cartridges do you want to shoot? 20gauge, what shot and payload? speed? wad requirements? 0.410 gauge, what shot and payload? speed? wad requirements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Buy one of the specialist manuals dedicated to shotshell reloading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Buy one of the specialist manuals dedicated to shotshell reloading Preferably one that you can get the listed components for, don't substitute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Buy one of the specialist manuals dedicated to shotshell reloading I have found the Ballistic Products Inc advantages manual 6th edition very handy to compare different loads and components, but as Kent pointed out it can be very difficult to source the components, Also as fat freddys cat said the Alliant powder website, I'm just starting myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I started reloading shotshells about a year ago and have a few manuals,the Lyman 5th Ed plus a couple of Ballistic Products manual and some data from clay and game. American data is great but components are difficult to source over here and expensive. I would go with clay and game data plus you will get loads of support on here. Have a look at my postings from early last year, the advice on them helped me a lot. Good luck and enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) what cartridges do you want to shoot? 20gauge, what shot and payload? speed? wad requirements? 0.410 gauge, what shot and payload? speed? wad requirements? As stated in the first post im looking for recipes for both gauges and for both game and clay, but im not up on what sort of speed or wad requirements, im not restricted by fibre wads if that is what you mean. Lots of 20g and .410 here. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/index.aspx this is a good website when it says the shot weight does it matter what the size of shot is?? can I use the same recipe with the same weight of shot but with 2 different sizes of shot?? Also when it says Winchester or federal or reminton hulls, if im using hulls ive bought factory loaded and shot, how do I know what they are?? Edited February 3, 2014 by bighit1985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Reload the same shells for clay and game. Just put in bigger / smaller shot. 20gauge is up to an ounce. But 24grams ain't bad. As for the .410...... Someone else will be along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 As stated in the first post im looking for recipes for both gauges and for both game and clay, but im not up on what sort of speed or wad requirements, im not restricted by fibre wads if that is what you mean. this is a good website when it says the shot weight does it matter what the size of shot is?? can I use the same recipe with the same weight of shot but with 2 different sizes of shot?? Also when it says Winchester or federal or reminton hulls, if im using hulls ive bought factory loaded and shot, how do I know what they are?? Using same weight of shot but different shot size will be fine. The Winchester hulls are compression formed, if you look down an empty one you will see the base is plastic and dome shaped. Remington hulls are plastic tube with a separate base. Not sure what Federal are as I've never used them but you could check by looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 So are most hulls used by factory loads, Winchester hulls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 So are most hulls used by factory loads, Winchester hulls? No. Winchester compression formed shells are virtually non existant in this country now. They were popular with reloaders maybe 20 years ago and this is what people keep harking back to but you're very unlikely to find anything but a straight walled Cheddite or Fiocchi type shell now. Even the Winchesters are straight walled when you come across them. The difference is obvious if you look inside a shell and see the separate base wad compared to an old Winchester compression formed one piece version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 so when looking at recipes does it matter if I am using a standard modern hull with a Winchester recipe?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 so when looking at recipes does it matter if I am using a standard modern hull with a Winchester recipe?? What is a Winchester recipe? Winchester C/F shells developed more pressure because of the internal shape and so used less powder as a result. Just buy European powders and get pretty much any used shell from clay club bins, they'll all be straight walled cheddite type. There's no point in making it more complicated by worrying about obscure components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacker Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 This is very interesting as I have just bought a loader and was wondering the same thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 What is a Winchester recipe? Winchester C/F shells developed more pressure because of the internal shape and so used less powder as a result. Just buy European powders and get pretty much any used shell from clay club bins, they'll all be straight walled cheddite type. There's no point in making it more complicated by worrying about obscure components. the website link, has a recipes for Winchester aa hull, no mention of cheddite hulls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 find recipe for cheddite, forget the rest. dont even bother thinking about winchester hulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 So where do I go for cheddite recipes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 You may not find recipes that specify Cheddite cases but anything that has a plastic tube with a separate base wad is essentially a "cheddite type". So Remington, Fiocchi, Eley etc are all cheddite type cases. If the recipe doesn't specify Winchester C/F you could use any of the above cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 You may not find recipes that specify Cheddite cases but anything that has a plastic tube with a separate base wad is essentially a "cheddite type". So Remington, Fiocchi, Eley etc are all cheddite type cases. If the recipe doesn't specify Winchester C/F you could use any of the above cases. If this is true (and I am neither doubting nor endorsing it at present) why might data change even within say the three types of separate basewads in Remmington? Surely they all are different enough to create different pressures? We know it does for sure with two similar but not identical shot cups, different primers- to some degree even closure method. Can you reference this statement please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 This is the problem I'm having is knowing what recipes to use for the hulls I have. Then finding recipes is also a problem. Plenty of data but no real world recipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Below is a link to the nobelsport web page. Click on the various powders to access the load data. You will see that they only specify case length, not type or manufacturer. These will all be plastic tube type cases. http://www.nobelsport.it/public/pages/ENG/schedapol.asp?ProdottoID=564&FamigliaID=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 You may not find recipes that specify Cheddite cases but anything that has a plastic tube with a separate base wad is essentially a "cheddite type". So Remington, Fiocchi, Eley etc are all cheddite type cases. If the recipe doesn't specify Winchester C/F you could use any of the above cases. I have recipes from C&G which simply state for parallel tube cases only, no mention of brand or base wad, Yet others specify brand and base wad colour. I spoke to a firm that implied that you may substitute cheddite for federal cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Below is a link to the nobelsport web page. Click on the various powders to access the load data. You will see that they only specify case length, not type or manufacturer. These will all be plastic tube type cases. http://www.nobelsport.it/public/pages/ENG/schedapol.asp?ProdottoID=564&FamigliaID=0 Had a look that's not what I personally should call proper data it don't even specify the shotcup used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Buy the book "climbing the north face of the .410 "it covers all you need for the .410 data is available all over the web for all loads or buy the clay game CD Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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