welshwizard Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 One of my shotguns has very dull blueing on it , talking to a mate he thinks its from someone using 3 in 1 oil on it in the past , other than a reblue can it be brought back to anthing near what it should , is there an oil or treatment that would polish and protect again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 What gun is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted February 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Midland over under . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 A light going over with 0000 wire wool and an oil may help a little but it depends on how worn the gluing is. Try it on a bit of barrel under the forend first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted February 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 A light going over with 0000 wire wool and an oil may help a little but it depends on how worn the gluing is. Try it on a bit of barrel under the forend first. Will put a photo up later , its not actually worn just lost its lustre ,that's why I wondered if there,s something on the market to bring it back up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Afraid not ,if there was shops would be lavishing it all the guns they have on display . I have tried all sorts of things from lacquers to car wax .You also have to accept that some blacks/blues are dull and don't shine and there's nothing really that will make it better other than reblacking . Wax may give it a slight lift but its only temporary . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Afraid not ,if there was shops would be lavishing it all the guns they have on display . I have tried all sorts of things from lacquers to car wax .You also have to accept that some blacks/blues are dull and don't shine and there's nothing really that will make it better other than reblacking . Wax may give it a slight lift but its only temporary . Just coming back to post a reply to this but gunman has hit the nail on the head again. Re blacking is not as pricey as some think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooterluke Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 I got a price of arron wheeler for rebluing the barrels an blueing of other parts what needed doin overall check of the mechanism an polishing the receiver an bits also a service 150 pounds if i remember right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I got a price of arron wheeler for rebluing the barrels an blueing of other parts what needed doin overall check of the mechanism an polishing the receiver an bits also a service 150 pounds if i remember right Too much to spend on a work gun , you would think modern technology would have developed something wouldn't you Thanks for the replies though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Give Richard H a shout he does caustic black at a reasonable price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I haven't tried this, but perhaps a silicone oil would give it some shine, it works on just about anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Pure Bees wax, and some time rubbing gently with soft cloth, or it may be it was not whited properly in the first place. Best you will get anyway. the finish depends on how it was struck in the first place, depends on the "effort" that was put in, on the other hand some people would welcome it, no flash of the barrels.. horses and courses.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Do you mean blueing as in blacking of the barrels or do you mean the furniture...metalwork? very different things..?Either way though there is no magic potion......re-blacking barrels @ £100 re-blueing furniture........not sure who does it but traditionally the metal work was heated then dropped in oil........neither are diy operations in my view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 blueing is only done on exterior of the metalwork i.e. outside of barrels ,trigger guard ,sights , and some actions that are plain Blue , never heard it in any connection to the wood /furniture ? Black is what good blue finish should look like but is still blued by name . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 blueing is only done on exterior of the metalwork i.e. outside of barrels ,trigger guard ,sights , and some actions that are plain Blue , never heard it in any connection to the wood /furniture ? Black is what good blue finish should look like but is still blued by name . Blacking is what is on most modern shotguns and rifles barrels and furniture (trigger guards pins forend irons etc) it is normally deep black in colour. Blueing is an older method sometimes still used on pins etc and is normally deep blue in colour but may be purple to electric blue' also popular on old clocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) not strictly true blue or black is down to the chemicals used and the process cold rust blueing is done with acid vapour and several stages of rusting, boiling, carding and rerusting. very deep "in the metal" colour modern "blacking" is "hot caustic blueing" - item is boiled in sodium hydroxide solution, other chemicals such as Potassium nitrate or nitrite are sometimes added to bring more "blue" into it the "electric blue" parts are often boiled in pure potassium nitrate or nitrite also used is hot oil quenching which can give a similar rainbow effect to the traditional "colour case hardening" in all of these processes the matt to gloss finish is entirely dependant on the surface being treated. use a 600 grit and you will get matt use a 1500-2000 grit and you will get deep gloss There is also "Browning" done on damascus barrels. different chemicals I did a cheap BRNO .222 fox in Matt with pure NaOH I also did a John Dickson .270 in deep gloss with a mix of NaOH/KNO3 not great pics but: Matt BRNO Nitrate Blued bolt release insert Gloss finish John Dickson barrel Edited March 3, 2014 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) Nice I like the gloss finish on that John Dickson , so would I have to start from scratch or just the use the 1500-2000 grit and top the finish off ,what else would I need in way of materials , I have tried reblue on cheap rifle and shotgun barrels in the past but never been happy with the finish it I used this formula -http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Birchwood-Casey-Perma-Blue-Liquid-Gun-Blue-rifle-pistol-/201034241029?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item2ece931405 Edited March 3, 2014 by welshwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 VERY Fine wire wool 000, you only get out what you put in, in other words the finish you will get is commensurate with the hours spent polishing to get this effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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