team tractor Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 What is it please??? I see it on here a lot but not what it is or involves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Give me a shout mate I'll be doing one again soon But it's accuracing (can't spell that) the rifle the wood to metal fit can be machine spot on in the factory this allows swelling other movement. We fill these voids with an epoxy so you get a perfect consistent fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Oh . You'll have to show me Daf . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 A cast of your action shape and fit that remains in the stock usually done in a hard setting resin, allowing fuller contact of action, recoil lug and stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aister Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Have a watch of this from you tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOo-_Ss7aIs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Linky no worky but I'll search cheers Linky no worky but I'll search cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 try and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Good videos I just can't see how it makes a gun more accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Good videos I just can't see how it makes a gun more accurate Well if the gun already shoots real well it wont make it better just make it hold its set zero better. When it makes a gun shoot better (as bedding often does) it is correcting little faults in the action inlet, giving full recoil lug contact and removing stress from an action not in full contact to the stock (think of a see-saw). The action can suffer bad harmonics as much as a barrel might. It most importantly isolates movement of the stock from effecting action fit (more when pillars are fitted with the synthetic bed). Signs of a gun that needs bedding is a constant zero creep day to day or a rifle that seems on fire one day and only just average the next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 More a cf thing than rf tends to have more affect with the larger harmonics from the larger recoil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Oh cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 More a cf thing than rf tends to have more affect with the larger harmonics from the larger recoil It is yes, has its uses on rimfire to correct issues but rarely used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 More a cf thing than rf tends to have more affect with the larger harmonics from the larger recoil ive done it before on my rimfire as the boyds stock i bought was terrible, im about to do it again too in to a standard stock as it has a few issues on the inlet for the barrel channel. plus i just fancy tinkering with it. its my main bunny gun so i see no harm in it shooting to its full potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 I also bed all my rim fires it doesn't take much or long and makes me more confident why not. I agree with the above the stock should not be held in a stock I rest mine in a gun cradle so they are relaxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 There are a few ways of doing most things, In General a good enough vid. I will bet the guy in question was bedding rifles from the 60's and has picked up on a few ruses in the last 40- 50+ years. I might not do it the same as he does but its certainly not my place to critic him after a mere decade of bedding jobs as a part time enthusiast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Is the advantage of plastic stocks, avoiding all this wood movement problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 The advantage of plastic stocks is they are cheap to make and very little else. They offer no advantages over other materials and are sadly often stuck with the problem of being horribly flexible in the forend. Once they spend their ten of thousands $$$ tooling up to injection mould them, they rarely see the error of their ways and beef up the designs as they are pretty much stuck. Sometimes they mould and stick extra bits on them to make them look more sturdy (tikka T3 varmint for example) but these band-aids have zero mechanical effect In theory, the plastic will not move and swell with moisture/humidity changes, is this just a gimmick then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 In theory, the plastic will not move and swell with moisture/humidity changes, is this just a gimmick then? Different plastics react to different conditions, I would imagine that the process is governed by cost more that the end product, as I know you can make real **** into plastic pipe and non will be the wiser. Wood is well wood no additives. For example if you have a **** product over mould it with something nice. Fill out the plastic with air by using blowing agent that forms a honeycomb structure. You can even fill the gaps with foam core or filler to save on materials But market it as an ultra light Job jobbed sit back and collect. I will stick with wood at lest I know what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Is the advantage of plastic stocks, avoiding all this wood movement problem? actually they lack stability and take bedding poorly. some have even been known to be damaged by the heat of the sun, yeah they move a lot (a commonly made misconception is they are stable). Without talking a showpiece rifle when only the best grade wood will do I rate stocks like this 1. carbon composite 2. laminate 3. solid hardwoods 4. sorry I wouldn't have one. Others like them they are welcome to that view but for me they are only good for a hard working shotgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 I must admit watching the video I noticed that little wood was removed and it all looked very neat and tidy, my stock inlet looked like a jack Russel terrier had chewed on it for a week my pillar recesses were considerably larger too. I was under the impression that the Devon I used was to bond as much as possible and stay like that for good. it seemed the amount in the video was only 1.5mm at the most rather thin I could see that cracking at the first knock, and as fister commented whats holding the pillars in? Yes Kent the chaps probably bedded more rifles than I have women but I see it as an advertisement rather than an information video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 I agree there are several ways of doing jobs correctly but showing customers how to it the way their tools dictate is sadly wrong. You will never accurately drill a hole for a pillar, therefore you always allow it to float and allow the bedding compound to take up the gap without any stress. The pillars are just as important as the action. You also note that the way he fits the escutcheon, tolerances are controlled by a piece of masking tape wrapped around his drill bit Heck its a sales vid just like the gear reviews in the comics that get reviewed by the importer / distributer before issue there is a degree of bias. Could argue about this all day long but suffice to say the guy is no fool places like Midway and Brownells have some very experienced guys on their staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Oh dear looks like I open a can of worms with that one. maybe should of put this link in not a bad example. http://www.6mmbr.com/pillarbedding.html. Heck its a sales vid just like the gear reviews in the comics that get reviewed by the importer / distributer before issue there is a degree of bias. Could argue about this all day long but suffice to say the guy is no fool places like Midway and Brownells have some very experienced guys on their staff Kent has a point look at some of the other videos he does some very good work and explains what he's doing very well. going back to the OP glass bedding helps get every last bit of consistency out of a rifle. My latest rifle shoots to the same POI from any type of rest so I will be doing the next one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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