stuy Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Been chatting to a few farmers they say that the new rules regarding to cropping next year, means that they plant more peas and beans as part of new eu rules, for a nitrogen richer soils etc. Anyone else heard anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 It was on the news a week or so ago. It won't figure on pw too much as it is potentially good news for some of us and it comes from the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/285800-grow-peas-for-conservation/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I take it all back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Beans have been the crop on which I have most certainty when decoying. Pigeons love them a few days after planting when they have had a soaking from the rain and after harvest again after rain. This spring I missed the sowing of spring beans on two different farms and I am still kicking myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Had my best ever day on beans 304 in a very hectic session, all with hushpower 3 shot 20 bore, I think more peas and beans could be both good and bad, is it going to spread the pigeons over a vast area of land being cropped thus making it harder to get a bag, is it going to mean far more pigeons get shot thus having an affect on breeding success and causing pigeon numbers to fall? I don't know, what's other peoples views? Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Had my best ever day on beans 304 in a very hectic session, all with hushpower 3 shot 20 bore, I think more peas and beans could be both good and bad, is it going to spread the pigeons over a vast area of land being cropped thus making it harder to get a bag, is it going to mean far more pigeons get shot thus having an affect on breeding success and causing pigeon numbers to fall? I don't know, what's other peoples views? Rich. I doubt there will be much increase in the amount of peas or beans grown to make any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuy Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hmmm this could be one to watch, it could make birds more spread out ,or for some people who shoot on land which at the moment have no beans or peas, could offer new shooting on peas june maybe? Either way I think some will benefit and others not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Used to do really well on peas but the last 3 years have been pretty poor they don't seem to show know where near as much interest in them as they used to on the farms i shoot anyway. Done well on beans especially on stubble but have to be pretty quick off the mark now before its disced up and ploughed. So i don't think it will make much difference for me. Thinking about it i have probably shot less and less over the last 3 years , still had the same amount of time to go and more land to shoot but the pigeons don't seem to be there like they were. More there one day gone the next and don't come back. Edited June 22, 2014 by shootnfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Used to do really well on peas but the last 3 years have been pretty poor they don't seem to show know where near as much interest in them as they used to on the farms i shoot anyway. Done well on beans especially on stubble but have to be pretty quick off the mark now before its disced up and ploughed. So i don't think it will make much difference for me. Thinking about it i have probably shot less and less over the last 3 years , still had the same amount of time to go and more land to shoot but the pigeons don't seem to be there like they were. More there one day gone the next and don't come back. When they drill your beans ask the farmer if he has any seed left over, I do this every year, scatter them on top of the drill as many as you can! You will soon be on for a good kill. Had a few high 200s a 301 and my best a 304 using this method, worth a try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Its a bloody nightmare for people with less than 30 hectares, who can now no longer block rotate, it also contradicts and messes up the stewardship scheme for lots of farmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 When they drill your beans ask the farmer if he has any seed left over, I do this every year, scatter them on top of the drill as many as you can! You will soon be on for a good kill. Had a few high 200s a 301 and my best a 304 using this method, worth a try! Probably not the best idea to admit to baiting fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Why if you can get a good day out of it! The farmer wants pigeons killed that's one way to do it! I know several people that do it, it's no different to baiting foxes or rats or squirrels to a feeding point to shoot them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Not sure if im right but i thought its just birds you cant bait, but then again people put dead rabbits out for crows,magpies. Tbh i think i would be told to F off if i asked for surplus beans to attract pigeons, but thanks anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Not sure if im right but i thought its just birds you cant bait, but then again people put dead rabbits out for crows,magpies. Tbh i think i would be told to F off if i asked for surplus beans to attract pigeons, but thanks anyway. It is a difficult one but as far as I can see the difference is that you aren't feeding the crows you are just enticing them within shooting distance, if you scatter food for pigeons it will be some days before they hit it in force and therefor you are encouraging them to a field where they may not normally be and feeding them for several days when not shooting. If you could spread the bait just before shooting and then pick up all the bait before you leave I imagine there would be no problem, but that isn't likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I see your point but it isn't encouraging them somewhere they wouldn't go, they would get on the bean drill any way, chucking a bit of grub on top just holds them there, it does attract more bird I agree. I know several people that use this method to kill big bags of pigeons. I'm sure if some one offered any 1 on this forum a days pigeon shooting with a 200+ bird day likely, no 1 would say no!! I respect other peoples views on here don't get me wrong, I am in no way having a go at any1. Regards rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 It isn't so much people's views as an interpretation of the GL that is important here. Actually, I don't think I would be interested in a guaranteed 200 pigeon day. It's the same with fishing a stocked pond or shooting driven game, I don't do either as it just doesn't float my boat. Now give me sea fishing and the day's rough shooting and I'm happy, even if I only get a handful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Why if you can get a good day out of it! The farmer wants pigeons killed that's one way to do it! I know several people that do it, it's no different to baiting foxes or rats or squirrels to a feeding point to shoot them. Yer, it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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