CarlC Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I always feel a small amount of sadness for the creature I've just killed, no matter what it is. I've just taken somethings life, even if it's for good reason it's still a sad moment. It's a respect thing I think. It's not right to see vermin as worthless. Any living creature has it's faults, even man. I'm sure we do more damage to the environment than any other living thing on this planet. We have the power to destroy things for our gain or even just for amusement, so we do. The same as the magpie does, but worse Hi i just wandered how do you all know all this stuff bout squirels etc, that they are killing other animals etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I always feel a small amount of sadness for the creature I've just killed, no matter what it is. I've just taken somethings life, even if it's for good reason it's still a sad moment. It's a respect thing I think. It's not right to see vermin as worthless. Any living creature has it's faults, even man. I'm sure we do more damage to the environment than any other living thing on this planet. We have the power to destroy things for our gain or even just for amusement, so we do. The same as the magpie does, but worse Hi i just wandered how do you all know all this stuff bout squirels etc, that they are killing other animals etc.? everyone knows that grey squirels are driving out the red squirels thay eat all the reds food and bring in lots of diseases the greys need thinned out to ensure the red squirels dont die out altogether hope this helps you carlc cheers kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Just look at the quote from King george VI below, I think it says it all. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I always feel a small amount of sadness for the creature I've just killed, no matter what it is. I've just taken somethings life, even if it's for good reason it's still a sad moment. It's a respect thing I think. It's not right to see vermin as worthless. Any living creature has it's faults, even man. I'm sure we do more damage to the environment than any other living thing on this planet. We have the power to destroy things for our gain or even just for amusement, so we do. The same as the magpie does, but worse Hi i just wandered how do you all know all this stuff bout squirels etc, that they are killing other animals etc.? Mostly, online, reading about the pray helps you hunt it, and often gives you the motivation to do so once you know the destruction they cause. Grey Squirrels carry a disease that kills off Red Squirrels, but does not affect them as the carrier. Grey squirrels will chew on trees, eat yong birds eggs, and even live hatchlings! once pest proportions build, they will start looking for food around the home, getting into lofts, feed bins etc likewise a rat would do. If they get stuck in a house, they will literally trash everything untill they get out (seen this twice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 you shot it in the brain then it hopped on yes so it did any more jokes thats the stupidest thing i ever heard kirky Kirky, it happens. Even if the rabbit has taken a good hit to the brain, nerve impulses can continue to move the limbs. I have witnessed this many times with baby rabbits taken a full hit with a .22 rimfire bullet to the head. Its not so much a hopping, but the back legs continue pushing the rabbit forward even if its dead. I think everyone who hunts rabbits has seen similar things before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 you shot it in the brain then it hopped on yes so it did any more jokes thats the stupidest thing i ever heard kirky Kirky, it happens. Even if the rabbit has taken a good hit to the brain, nerve impulses can continue to move the limbs. I have witnessed this many times with baby rabbits taken a full hit with a .22 rimfire bullet to the head. Its not so much a hopping, but the back legs continue pushing the rabbit forward even if its dead. I think everyone who hunts rabbits has seen similar things before. Shot a rabbit with the .223 last week, 67 yards or so with a 50 grain hollow point. Completely devastated the front section, I even found the heart blown out behind where I shot it. I saw the rabbit fall over, quite dead. So took my time in making the gun safe, picking up the spent case and walked over. Where's my rabbit gone?!?! I found it about 10 feet away from where I shot it, a good arms length down a burrow (and I've long arms!). Nerve impulses are the only way to explain what happened. I didn't mis-mark where the rabbit fell, I saw it fall over quite clearly in the scope. Would I ever have gone home confused if it had gone further down that burrow So it does happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P03 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 The only time I feel remorse is when I fail to make a clean kill, I once hit a rabbit in the jaw and couldn't retrieve it. I still feel shame and remorse when I think of it. I still hunt, but now I make damn sure of my shot, and I think it made me a more humane hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Shot a rabbit with the .223 last week, 67 yards or so with a 50 grain hollow point. Watched the head keeper at the shoot we took the crows on Saturday, take a rabbit at 125yds with a anny .17HMR. He's a good shot, leant over the windscreen of his truck, smack. I watched it hit through my bino's and it was hit, hard. Went to find it, straight line, nowhere to be seen. Came back for SS's dog and went back for another look, she found it 30 yards from where it was hit. It had most of its front section ripped away, almost no way it could have run. It had though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Bunch of wooses...get out there and nuke 'em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Bunch of wooses...get out there and nuke 'em! I know you can get ballistic tipped bullets but I never heard of nuclear tipped ones Be handy for a few crows bunched together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I always feel a small amount of sadness for the creature I've just killed, no matter what it is. I've just taken somethings life, even if it's for good reason it's still a sad moment. It's a respect thing I think. It's not right to see vermin as worthless. Any living creature has it's faults, even man. I'm sure we do more damage to the environment than any other living thing on this planet. We have the power to destroy things for our gain or even just for amusement, so we do. The same as the magpie does, but worse Hi i just wandered how do you all know all this stuff bout squirels etc, that they are killing other animals etc.? It's just one of those things that you learn when you see it first hand and also take a deep interest in the countryside. A lot of conservation bodies (wildlife trusts etc) control squirrel, deer and other pests. They know through experience and research that these animals do a great deal of damage. The trouble is, unless you go looking for it, you wont find them broadcasting the facts. There are too many leaf muncher hippies as members to go shouting about it openly! The general public needs educating on the subject, so there is a wider understanding of shooters and reality. The trouble is, not many organisations that rely on peoples donations have the guts to bite the bullet and tell it how it is. I know, I had my conservation training five days a week for 18 months with my local wildlife trust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 i think it shows your human mate , its a good thing , some times feel remorse when i see a mixy rabbit suffering , wisheing i had controled them better before the mixy hit . the worst thing i ever did was wound a hare using a 12g while rough shooting, the way it screamed i,ll never forget got it with the second shot , but felt terrible , now i dont shoot them , total respect for them and love to see them frolicking I think I would struggle to shoot a hare. They will often freeze until you are virtually on top of them. Lurcher quarry in my opinion as it gives them a chance. I always feel a small amount of sadness for the creature I've just killed, no matter what it is. I've just taken somethings life, even if it's for good reason it's still a sad moment. It's a respect thing I think. It's not right to see vermin as worthless. Any living creature has it's faults, even man. I'm sure we do more damage to the environment than any other living thing on this planet. We have the power to destroy things for our gain or even just for amusement, so we do. The same as the magpie does, but worse :o That sums it up completely. Very well said. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlC Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I always feel a small amount of sadness for the creature I've just killed, no matter what it is. I've just taken somethings life, even if it's for good reason it's still a sad moment. It's a respect thing I think. It's not right to see vermin as worthless. Any living creature has it's faults, even man. I'm sure we do more damage to the environment than any other living thing on this planet. We have the power to destroy things for our gain or even just for amusement, so we do. The same as the magpie does, but worse Hi i just wandered how do you all know all this stuff bout squirels etc, that they are killing other animals etc.? Mostly, online, reading about the pray helps you hunt it, and often gives you the motivation to do so once you know the destruction they cause. Grey Squirrels carry a disease that kills off Red Squirrels, but does not affect them as the carrier. Grey squirrels will chew on trees, eat yong birds eggs, and even live hatchlings! once pest proportions build, they will start looking for food around the home, getting into lofts, feed bins etc likewise a rat would do. If they get stuck in a house, they will literally trash everything untill they get out (seen this twice). Bloody Americans I want to kill the grey squireels becuase they`re killing our red squirrels, and i want to kill the mink as well cause they`re killing one of our animals(can`t remember which) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I always feel a small amount of sadness for the creature I've just killed, no matter what it is. I've just taken somethings life, even if it's for good reason it's still a sad moment. It's a respect thing I think. It's not right to see vermin as worthless. Any living creature has it's faults, even man. I'm sure we do more damage to the environment than any other living thing on this planet. We have the power to destroy things for our gain or even just for amusement, so we do. The same as the magpie does, but worse Hi i just wandered how do you all know all this stuff bout squirels etc, that they are killing other animals etc.? Mostly, online, reading about the pray helps you hunt it, and often gives you the motivation to do so once you know the destruction they cause. Grey Squirrels carry a disease that kills off Red Squirrels, but does not affect them as the carrier. Grey squirrels will chew on trees, eat yong birds eggs, and even live hatchlings! once pest proportions build, they will start looking for food around the home, getting into lofts, feed bins etc likewise a rat would do. If they get stuck in a house, they will literally trash everything untill they get out (seen this twice). Bloody Americans I want to kill the grey squireels becuase they`re killing our red squirrels, and i want to kill the mink as well cause they`re killing one of our animals(can`t remember which) minks kill water voles and as you are planning on using an air rifle i wouldn't go at a mink. This topic has been covered recently do a airgun board search. As for greys, totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskyfox Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 The first time I ever shot something I was actually very happy! This is because it was a magpie that was attacking some sparrows in a tree, and I downed him and thought "good u #@]*%^£". The second time was a woodpigeon, and when I looked at him close up he seemed pathetic and helpless and I felt quite bad. Generally I dont tend to think about it, because its a simple matter of pest control that is necessary to balance the ecosystem etc...but I usually do find myself rushing with adrenaline before a shot so I'm more aware of the adrenaline wearing off (shaking hands etc) after the shot than anything else. -Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col s10 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 cyber who would of thought that your post would have caused so much reaction,as isaid great post ,and shows all on the forum whatever view,did not rubbish it like i thought they would :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlC Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 cyber who would of thought that your post would have caused so much reaction,as isaid great post ,and shows all on the forum whatever view,did not rubbish it like i thought they would :o :o what u on this post **** :o Only kidding really, reallly good post listening to peoples experiences,before i wanted to get into airgunning i thought u airguners(don`t rip my head off ) where heartless and had no feelings .(no offence just what i thought b4,not now). As i say nice post, i`ve learnt bout you airgunners having remorse(good on ya )and feelings and bout your stories and bout vermin. Nice post :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 you shot it in the brain then it hopped on :o yes so it did any more jokes :o :o :o thats the stupidest thing i ever heard kirky Kirky, it happens. Even if the rabbit has taken a good hit to the brain, nerve impulses can continue to move the limbs. I have witnessed this many times with baby rabbits taken a full hit with a .22 rimfire bullet to the head. Its not so much a hopping, but the back legs continue pushing the rabbit forward even if its dead. I think everyone who hunts rabbits has seen similar things before. Shot a rabbit with the .223 last week, 67 yards or so with a 50 grain hollow point. Completely devastated the front section, I even found the heart blown out behind where I shot it. I saw the rabbit fall over, quite dead. So took my time in making the gun safe, picking up the spent case and walked over. Where's my rabbit gone?!?! I found it about 10 feet away from where I shot it, a good arms length down a burrow (and I've long arms!). Nerve impulses are the only way to explain what happened. I didn't mis-mark where the rabbit fell, I saw it fall over quite clearly in the scope. Would I ever have gone home confused if it had gone further down that burrow So it does happen with a .223 yes i dont think so you must be a terrible shot i hear foxes are selling tickets to watch you try shooting them lol not dead with .223 its the way you tell them !! thanks kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col s10 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 CarlC WHT THE 8888 ARE YOU ON ABOUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Posted February 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 cyber who would of thought that your post would have caused so much reaction,as isaid great post ,and shows all on the forum whatever view,did not rubbish it like i thought they would Cheers col s10, I didn’t realise it was going to get this many replies either. Its nice to know how you all feel on the subject though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Good man Kirky, you keep shooting them at 250 yards with your HMR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcowz Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Anyone who respects their quarry feels some remorse for their death. /Mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 A couple of weeks ago I was doing a bit of rough shooting and ferreting with my dad, The first 4 small warrens we did we got 1 well fed doe out of each warren . odd I thaught. then I said to my dad I bet there is only 1 rabbit in each warren because there ready for having a litter and mabe they get protective and teratorital when they have their young.? Anyway the next warren we did, same procedure nets on holes ferret in get ready with shotty for any runners, well after about 20 seconds 4 palm sized rabbits bolted out of the warren my dad grabbed 2 I grabbed one and one bolted back down the hole I put all three baby rabbits in the ferret box and waited to retreive the ferret from the warren, as we waited the mother to the young rabbits bolted into one of the nets closely followed by the ferret. We gathered the nets up and returned the mother and three young to the warren to fight another day . Why ? I felt that the young rabbits had caused no body any harm they had not had a taste of life and why should I take that away from them. They will be there for another day. I did take the pi88 out of my dad when we got back and my brother's asked us what we had caught. I told them the story, and then I said I think dad is going soft in his old age and he has watched watership down too many times. kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Aye, we let the squidgers go, the odd one gets munched, that's life and the ferrets have to eat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerico Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I don't feel any remorse, I did when I shot my first live thing, A sparrow when I was 11 but none now. Although I do respect my quarry, anything on the vermin list is there because they are survivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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