woody walloper Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 processed 1000 thousand pigeons yesterday member of staff said how few pellets they had in them. started to look at them and they nearly all hadless than three in the body.we dont pluck wings or neck so some would of had more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goober Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I've been using my 28g for two years.Its light,fun to shoot,quieter than a 12g if noise is a problem and sits nicely between a .410(which I also enjoy for Pigeon close in) and the 12g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Why is it that nearly every topic on here ends up with stressed out replies? All the OP asked was >> ”As per title a lot of threads on here seem to adour their little 28g. So what is so magical about them ?” How did this end up with disagreement as to how many pellets are needed ? I’ve got all sorts of guns but I just love the 28 for what it is, And that is because the gun is a joy to shoot. It chops stuff down and never ceases to amaze me in terms of its ability. But my main go to gun for just out shooting is an old 12 bore No 4 boxlock with pits in the barrels. But this is my My magical 28 At last a breath of fresh air with no egotistical hidden agenda or posturing. Oooray processed 1000 thousand pigeons yesterday member of staff said how few pellets they had in them. started to look at them and they nearly all hadless than three in the body.we dont pluck wings or neck so some would of had more. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I love my cheap little Yildiz 28 bore. I did look at reloading but it's not worth it unless your shooting lots of cartridges even then the savings are not that great. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Brian Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 No problem, and yes I did and you're absolutely right in your last sentence. Over the years we've been brainwashed into thinking that a pattern which will deliver 3 pellets into a target means that a kill will (all things being equal) ensue. Consequently, it's all too easy to choose a combination of bore/cartridge/choke which will achieve that. However, during the work undertaken by the Ballistic Research Laboratory (BRL)into NTS which started off by testing lead shot as a base material, It became apparent that shotgun patterns complied quite accurately with the law of averages. An actual strike count of 3 from a barrel/cartridge which would supposedly deliver that figure only did so 58% of the time. If you go back and look at the effective ranges from the older tables you'll see that they're based on the misguided premise that the gun will do that every shot (anyone remember the tables in the Eley Diary which are now deleted and have been for some time?) Underdog was quite correct in his 3 or 4 pellets. I asked the question, how often to you need that number hoping he'd quite rightly say, every shot thus giving me an opening to make this very point. Alas, it was not to be. With information supplied by BRL and other agencies, it is now apparent that in order to achieve the minimum (3) count 6 pellets are necessary on average. Consequently, an adjustment is required to these older tables which are at times still referred to. Cheers Wyberley- I see where you are going with it now. Light guages are fine as long as you don't go pushing the limits of what can be achieved with the shot charge and size you have picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Light guages are fine as long as you don't go pushing the limits of what can be achieved with the shot charge and size you have picked. What I didn't mention was that the error in the tables is compounded in as much as they relate to the maximum vital area (ie, overhead shot) of any given species. How often is that scenario encountered particularly for we pigeon shooters? Consequently, yep, your quoted comment is spot on. And, yep, again, the 28 is a delightful little gun but there's nothing magical about it. Now, a 2" 12 bore is an entirely different matter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 wymberley, on 04 Jul 2014 - 2:08 PM, said: the 28 is a delightful little gun but there's nothing magical about it. Now, a 2" 12 bore is an entirely different matter! Don't tell people that or they will all want one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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