maxwell Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Hi guys i reload for my .204 and find myself thinking about reloading for the shotgun (12g) my question to those of you who already do this is what is required for a reasonable set up, press dies components etc, also what is, if any are the cost benefits /1000, thank you cheers Maxi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) It depends on how much you want to spend. Cheapest reloading system would be a Lee Loadall. £50 ish new and £35 ish second hand. Money recouped when you give up! You won't save money on 12g, but if you're canny, for a similar amount you should be able to make a good cartridge. The pain is sourcing the powder. If you can pick it up locally, that's good, if not, you will be subject to a hazard courier service at £30!! You need to make your own shot to start saving over factory loads, but then that's more expense and takes a lot of experimentation to get it right. I mainly use the 20g, make my own shot, and my loads come out around £4.25 a box for a cartridge equal to spending £8 on a box of RC Sipes. That doesn't include the powder/wad delivery charges, but I pick those up by other arrangements. I don't look to save money, its more of a hobby associated with my sport. Its good fun, and fills in those boring days when there's nothing going on, plus its immensely satisfying Edited July 25, 2014 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 It depends on how much you want to spend. Cheapest reloading system would be a Lee Loadall. £50 ish new and £35 ish second hand. Money recouped when you give up! You won't save money on 12g, but if you're canny, for a similar amount you should be able to make a good cartridge. The pain is sourcing the powder. If you can pick it up locally, that's good, if not, you will be subject to a hazard courier service at £30!! You need to make your own shot to start saving over factory loads, but then that's more expense and takes a lot of experimentation to get it right. I mainly use the 20g, make my own shot, and my loads come out around £4.25 a box for a cartridge equal to spending £8 on a box of RC Sipes. That doesn't include the powder/wad delivery charges, but I pick those up by other arrangements. I don't look to save money, its more of a hobby associated with my sport. Its good fun, and fills in those boring days when there's nothing going on, plus its immensely satisfying +1 well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 It depends on how much you want to spend. Cheapest reloading system would be a Lee Loadall. £50 ish new and £35 ish second hand. Money recouped when you give up! You won't save money on 12g, but if you're canny, for a similar amount you should be able to make a good cartridge. The pain is sourcing the powder. If you can pick it up locally, that's good, if not, you will be subject to a hazard courier service at £30!! You need to make your own shot to start saving over factory loads, but then that's more expense and takes a lot of experimentation to get it right. I mainly use the 20g, make my own shot, and my loads come out around £4.25 a box for a cartridge equal to spending £8 on a box of RC Sipes. That doesn't include the powder/wad delivery charges, but I pick those up by other arrangements. I don't look to save money, its more of a hobby associated with my sport. Its good fun, and fills in those boring days when there's nothing going on, plus its immensely satisfying what he said and more. i reload funny shells... easily recoup my money. but i spend more testing shells.... if money is the driving factor for reloading.... buy cheaper factory shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Just a bit of an idea on cost. Lets assume you can collect the components or have a friend who drives past a supplier. And working on 700 carts as that works out well on the powder and shot quantities. Wads are sold in different multiples as are primers, so I've put the individual cost. The cheapest if you are looking to buy everything is: Used shells, sourced clay ground etc Primers 4p each x 700 = 28 Plastic wads x 700 = 13.30 Powder 1kg = 73 Shot 20kgs = 74 Total £188 £188 divided by 700 shells is £6.70 per box for a 28gram load. There are some powders that are twice the price as the above, so you have to do some research. Cookoff, Sitsinhedges and Floating Chamber are the ones for great advice and help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Just a bit of an idea on cost. Lets assume you can collect the components or have a friend who drives past a supplier. And working on 700 carts as that works out well on the powder and shot quantities. Wads are sold in different multiples as are primers, so I've put the individual cost. The cheapest if you are looking to buy everything is: Used shells, sourced clay ground etc Primers 4p each x 700 = 28 Plastic wads x 700 = 13.30 Powder 1kg = 73 Shot 20kgs = 74 Total £188 £188 divided by 700 shells is £6.70 per box for a 28gram load. There are some powders that are twice the price as the above, so you have to do some research. Cookoff, Sitsinhedges and Floating Chamber are the ones for great advice and help You need to shop around Primers 2.5 p. Folkestone engineering Powder £30 per Kg George Young Proper cartridges Shot. £2.50 per Kg ". ". ". " Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 The biggest single saving you can enjoy when reloading your own cartridges is to make your own lead shot, typical saving if you say allow a £1 per kg to make your own (or less if you get free lead) compared to recently £2.50 per kg (if local to Durham) or more for shop purchased shot plus delivery or fuel to collect. Savings by shopping around on primers, wads and powder are then the icing on the cake whilst nice are not so significant as saving a minimum of £45 on lead for a 30gm load. Personally we need to support the few UK shops selling cartridge reloading parts we have, especially if local to you, otherwise they will close and prices (including delivery or fuel) will then surely increase as competition reduces. Several sites give details on constructing a shot maker this forum for one and Folkestone engineering for another. Simple to reload but make your own shot first is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 You need to shop around Primers 2.5 p. Folkestone engineering Powder £30 per Kg George Young Proper cartridges Shot. £2.50 per Kg ". ". ". " Deershooter Thought you'd be along with a bit of nit picking That's the point Deershooter, get the primers from here, shot from there, powder somewhere else...........the postage is a serious consideration, hence my comment about collecting, and that was on the basis that there's no point driving from Durham to kent to save £15 or spend £10 getting them sent And Johns list price is 3.5p not 2.5p. Yes in an ideal world, we could source the cheapest components all posted or delivered for free. I was giving the op the idea of getting going by the easiest and most practical route, not running all over the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'm loading 20 gauge clay shells for under £70/1000 plus lead that I often get for nowt but you have to put the work in to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Thought you'd be along with a bit of nit picking That's the point Deershooter, get the primers from here, shot from there, powder somewhere else...........the postage is a serious consideration, hence my comment about collecting, and that was on the basis that there's no point driving from Durham to kent to save £15 or spend £10 getting them sent And Johns list price is 3.5p not 2.5p. Yes in an ideal world, we could source the cheapest components all posted or delivered for free. I was giving the op the idea of getting going by the easiest and most practical route, not running all over the country +1 agree John does do a bulk pack of 9600 primers that work out about 2.5p and delivery is £9.80 so highly recommended (also good for dog training). For collection only he has recently started a primer pack refill offer see his offer page on his website. But unlike some foreign suppliers he won't break the law by sending hazmat items out incorrectly packaged/labelled. I'm loading 20 gauge clay shells for under £70/1000 plus lead that I often get for nowt but you have to put the work in to get there. great price that's why we reload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Rbrowning2, yes, Johns a great bloke to deal with, and I use him exclusively now. I felt sure he would do a deal on large quantities, but I don't think the OP was looking at buying 9600 primers in the first hit, hence my comments on Deershooters post. Bulk buying does save in the long run though Sits, that's really good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Rbrowning2, yes, Johns a great bloke to deal with, and I use him exclusively now. I felt sure he would do a deal on large quantities, but I don't think the OP was looking at buying 9600 primers in the first hit, hence my comments on Deershooters post. Bulk buying does save in the long run though Sits, that's really good Turbo33 oops yes 9600 primers is probably a lot for someone starting to reload. John helped with shot making, so yes highly recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 It depends on how much you want to spend. Cheapest reloading system would be a Lee Loadall. £50 ish new and £35 ish second hand. Money recouped when you give up! You won't save money on 12g, but if you're canny, for a similar amount you should be able to make a good cartridge. The pain is sourcing the powder. If you can pick it up locally, that's good, if not, you will be subject to a hazard courier service at £30!! You need to make your own shot to start saving over factory loads, but then that's more expense and takes a lot of experimentation to get it right. I mainly use the 20g, make my own shot, and my loads come out around £4.25 a box for a cartridge equal to spending £8 on a box of RC Sipes. That doesn't include the powder/wad delivery charges, but I pick those up by other arrangements. I don't look to save money, its more of a hobby associated with my sport. Its good fun, and fills in those boring days when there's nothing going on, plus its immensely satisfying I agree with all of this, except on certain shells there are good savings to be made. Three inch loads for goose shooting in Scotland, or fox shooting could be made for significantly less than factory shells. Even some 42gm 2 3/4" jobs would be cheaper to load yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Guy's thank you for the help and info, much appreciated, its time for some research and then decide cheers Maxi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Guy's thank you for the help and info, much appreciated, its time for some research and then decide cheers Maxi Ah, just do it Maxi, its a great pastime, and oh so satisfying when you bring home the supper with your own loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 If you talk to people in a nice way and are able to wait they some times bring it to you free of charge or meet you somewhere then again with some peoples attitude it's lucky they have a licence Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Maxi just pop down one night and have a look at my set up it will show you what you can do...and give you some ideas.. edit you have my number give me a call Edited July 29, 2014 by hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Maxi just pop down one night and have a look at my set up it will show you what you can do...and give you some ideas.. edit you have my number give me a call Perfect, well done Hawkeye, great help Maxi, it will save you a load of confusion, grief, expense and misleading posts Edited July 29, 2014 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Perfect, well done Hawkeye, great help Maxi, it will save you a load of confusion, grief, expense and misleading posts Mike (Hawkeye) is a gentleman, i have enjoyed his company and experience several times Mike, i will call and arrange a visit, thank you. cheers Maxi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 No problem John you might have to fetch a gun for charlie will see if i can find any.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I've seen and shot mikes carts and there is nowt much wrong with them. Mag357 on the other hand give me one without a primer Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I've seen and shot mikes carts and there is nowt much wrong with them. Mag357 on the other hand give me one without a primer Figgy primers are expensive, he`s probably saving money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag357 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Technical hitch with certain primers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 You mean why waste primers on figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag357 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Cought me out at last Mike..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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