Beretta28g Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/151te-turbo-mig-welder Can anyone give me any opinions on this welder. I have already got a tig and can weld with it but want something that can run weld a bit quicker. A main question would be does this use those stupid disposable gas bottles or can I use a 10ltr 300psi one like I do for tig. will be using it to weld mild and stainless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) There is a link there with the full manual. http://www.machinemart.co.uk/documents/MIG110E-160EN.pdf D. The Gas Supply MIG 110E, 135TE and 151TE ONLY NOTES: These models require the gas bottle and regulator, to be fitted. A mini gas bottle complete with gas regulator is provided. Should you prefer to use larger gas cylinders, the appropriate gas regulator and fittings need to be acquired. Your Clarke dealer will be happy to advise in this regard. Always use the appropriate gas for the material being welded. Three types are provided by Clarke International, as follows: Carbon Dioxide (CO2) ......... For Mild Steel .................... Part No. 6000642 Argon....................................ForAluminium...................PartNo. 6000661 CO2/Argon Mix .................... For Thin Sheet metal Mild Steel/ Stainless ......... Part No. 6000660 Additionally a larger CO2 bottle is available ............... Part No. 6000643 ReplacementGasRegulator...........................................PartNo. 8132000 Edited August 2, 2014 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Once you leave bits of panel work and get onto non ferrous your way better off with a proper mig of reasonable money in the £700-1500 range. Just couple up to your tig bottle, I know nothing of these silly little cans but if you do any quantity they are a non starter. I am going to test an Italian made CEA shortly - very expensive but portable with full size rolls and some new technology that is the next thing on from synergic "supposedly" If you need speed you will kill a DIY set too soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 I ain't gonna be doing panel work,it will be used for box and rod up to 12mm Just needs to be quicker than tig I don't want to spend mega bucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 I have that model you are looking at and i am pleased with it, only problem is i have the tiny little gas bottles and the reg is broken but i will be going onto proper gas set up soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil82 Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 had a Clarke 100a gas/nogas mig years ago, spent 4 years welding up cars with it practically full time, apart from tips and liners had no problem with it (used curtain wire as a liner), gave it to a mate for spares in the end, he used it for ages, seemed impossible to kill that little machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 get yourself a cheap compressor, from Lidle's or Aldi......dust is the big killer of MIG machines.....blow the machine out regular and keep the feed rollers clean and at the correct tension, and blow the lines out...store your wire where it wont rust...buy plenty of contact tips and wire files to keep the tips clean...anti spatter spray for the shoud....the little gas bottles are a waste of time...get a contract and get a half size commercial bottle.....co2/2%argon mix.......and put a flow meter on after the regulator....will save you gas and get it flowing right.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 I ain't gonna be doing panel work,it will be used for box and rod up to 12mm Just needs to be quicker than tig I don't want to spend mega bucks So will it do 60% duty cycle around 110-120 ? I am guessing that's its not heavy RHS your on just up to 2.5 -3 mm? Oh Yeah quicker than tig and easier on positional no-doubt about that but just ensure the duty cycle is good enough for you needs. With mig it gets a bit head down crack on so you do tend to time out if the sets not got the duty you need, its not like you need to swap rods or mess around getting a real good position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 So will it do 60% duty cycle around 110-120 ? I am guessing that's its not heavy RHS your on just up to 2.5 -3 mm? Oh Yeah quicker than tig and easier on positional no-doubt about that but just ensure the duty cycle is good enough for you needs. With mig it gets a bit head down crack on so you do tend to time out if the sets not got the duty you need, its not like you need to swap rods or mess around getting a real good position. You have lost me im afraid... Duty cycle?? This is the sort of thing im welding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 You have lost me im afraid... Duty cycle?? This is the sort of thing im welding it will do that job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) That took about 3hrs welding with tig even with a max 180 amp setting it took a good while for a weld pool to appear Edited August 3, 2014 by Beretta28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil82 Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 the duty cycle is the amount of time the welder will maintain an arc continuously, go over it and it may cut out until the transformer cools down, just think that if you have 60% it will keep going no problem but if you weld flat out for 10 minutes you need to leave it running for four minutes to cool down, generally this causes no problem as you will be setting up the next part to be welded or knocking metal into place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Have a look on the r tech website the welders on there are top banana. I have one of the mig and a tig set and they make the Clarke kit look like what they are cheep Chinese inports . Plus withe the r tech gear they come with a 2 year pick up and return warnty . http://www.r-techwelding.co.uk/ Edited August 4, 2014 by fruitloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprocket Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 For Box and Rod up to 12mm - Personally I would use an arc welder. Easy to use, Good penetration and Fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 the duty cycle is the amount of time the welder will maintain an arc continuously, go over it and it may cut out until the transformer cools down, just think that if you have 60% it will keep going no problem but if you weld flat out for 10 minutes you need to leave it running for four minutes to cool down, generally this causes no problem as you will be setting up the next part to be welded or knocking metal into place My carry about inverter MMA / TIG is 180 amp, I have never run it at that I run it at 130 max most commonly no more than 110-120 amp. The bigger capacity is irrelevant other than giving a higher duty cycle. They don't all cut out thermally you tend to get fade out, this can effect weld quality. I should go MMA (stick) for most things like you mention, does you TIG set not have an MMA plug in switch over already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I've just bought a new welder pics will follow! Worryingly the price of 15kg spool of stainless wire was nearly as much as the welder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 what did you end up with pete? I just pinch my old mans fronius dc when the urge strikes to make something metal, it's kind of going spare now he's semi retired, I might just have to convince him to give it me permanently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 A SWP 180 this mig welding is easy compared to tig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kent Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 A SWP 180 this mig welding is easy compared to tig just test some to make sure it can sometimes look good but lack real penetration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Ill provide ya with some proof at sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hey, I am not saying you cant do it BUT I do have thousands of hours in with it and have seen some bonny looking welds fail with mig (it happens), test and check especially on stainless one day it will surprise you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I had a swp welder once the only reason I got rid was it got stolen .along with the gen set and a load of power tools . there not a bad diy welder I had mine doing 8mm plate no problem. mma is classed as a skilled proses whilst mig (mags) is classed as a semi skilled proses . I for one have the kit for all 4 welds mig tig mma and spot in my man cave they all have jobs that one can do better than the other . you can not say that if you get one it will do everything . I also dumped the oxy kit in favour of the plasma cutter ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I had a swp welder once the only reason I got rid was it got stolen .along with the gen set and a load of power tools . there not a bad diy welder I had mine doing 8mm plate no problem. mma is classed as a skilled proses whilst mig (mags) is classed as a semi skilled proses . I for one have the kit for all 4 welds mig tig mma and spot in my man cave they all have jobs that one can do better than the other . you can not say that if you get one it will do everything . I also dumped the oxy kit in favour of the plasma cutter ... That's very true, like spanners and socket sets really. Both do the same basic task but in a different way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Just a head my welder stop working so i got in touch with the guys at Rtech had a chat with a Service enginer a guy called rob and helpful is not the word as he knew the machine inside and out walked me through some checks and we decided to get it to them. Berin in mind that the warranty had run out over 2 years ago well the welder will be back with me on Tuesday all fixed and the best bit was it did not cost much to repair .I have no hesitation in recommending them as the service is 200% non of this o we have to send it back to the manufacturer to look at it. I give this business a 10☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆out of 5. Edited September 5, 2014 by fruitloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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