Fracking in Blackpool

[lexikia]

Can't wait for UK to be independant with gas supplies but I don't think for one minute it will lead too cheaper fuel bills. This country doesn't operate like this. Screw every penny they can seems to be the norm.

 

I remember a few years ago when Wallmart took over ASDA and promised cheaper goods as in USA, but they just adopted the UK, screw every penny you can from the gullible public.

 

There is much talk of ALDI and LIDLE offering cheaper grocery products but their meat & fish is no cheaper than any other major retailer. They do stock nice German sausages though.

[Yellow Bear]

Woman interviewed at Lunchtime on BBC complaining of lack of government spend om renewables - I think not when you consider the subsidies on wind and solar, both grossly inefficient and limited with a high visual impact on local environment, and with an energy footprint to build, install and maintain( in most cases in this country) greater than they will ever produce.

Both fracking and nuclear are the current answer bearing in mind these same numpties block any move towards tidal barrier and hydroelectric due to the "impact on nature and local environment".

[onatangent]

Another easy solution to exploit fossil fuels and delay the inevitable. They will run out, peoples lives will be affected and no doubt an alternative still wont be in place for them when supplies run out. Im all for renewables but to date their efficiencies and costs to implement are a draw back. Someone somewhere is always hampering technological advancements for obvious reasons. Just need to look at hydrogen celled cars announced some 12yrs ago iirc, Not a fan of dependancy and exploitation of the countries resources especially when the nation hasn't been asked and people are being affected. As has been mentioned, uninsurable risk properties and the fear of the unknown quantity that is Fracking and the impact it can/could present. Scaremongering has been mentioned, the government are just as bad as the antifrack groups. There is ways a bias to promote a line of thought whichever side of the argument but to what end and who is deemed the 'most right'

[lexikia]

Couple of years ago attended a HV refresher course in Hoylake, one of the attendees was from BP. While in the pub in the evening he mentioned the North sea oil fields. Apparently they are like massive sponges and will re-fill wirh oil if left for 10 years or so.

 

He said the main problem with North sea oil is not the lack of oil under the ocean but lack of of investent in buidling new oil rigs.

[Beretta06]

Oil/gas industries have been fracking for years now - it appears little more that a trendy thing to oppose it currently.

[FalconFN]

Oil/gas industries have been fracking for years now - it appears little more that a trendy thing to oppose it currently.

Yup, and their argument is based on gut feelings and fear more than facts and evidence.

 

No matter what many think, we did get cheap, efficient and relatively clean and secure energy from the North Sea, before that we were burning or making gas from coal. We still need gas as most of our houses, businesses and much of our electricity comes from burning the stuff, with all the will in the world we couldn't change that easily or cheaply, and so far there are no comparable alternatives.

[FalconFN]

No it isn't

Put "Road tax" into Google and see.

There hasn't been a road tax since the 1930s. Vehicles are taxed, not the use of roads, which is why people pay different amounts for different vehicles. All taxes go to central govenment to spend on what they want, otherwise you'd get hospital tax or police tax or even shop tax....

[39TDS]

There hasn't been a road tax since the 1930s. Vehicles are taxed, not the use of roads, which is why people pay different amounts for different vehicles. All taxes go to central govenment to spend on what they want, otherwise you'd get hospital tax or police tax or even shop tax....

Maybe so but all the .gov sites now refer to it as vehicle tax rather than excise duty as they used to.

[39TDS]

They are even called tax discs

[FalconFN]

They are even called tax discs

Ah, I see, you're probably right, I got the wrong end of the stick - I was really talking about the road part and not whether it is a duty or tax.

 

The post I was replying to originally was complaining that road tax isn't spent on roads, I probably got the name wrong but my point was that vehicles are taxed, not road use.

 

Either way, it's not related to fracking anymore....

 

Atb

[39TDS]

Or Blackpool either for that matter

[pimpkiller]

It was me that posted the road tax thing. What I was trying to illustrate in a slightly funny way was something mentiond by a previous poster about the government saying if we frak it will give cheap gas to the people. If we want to do something about the cost of energy the government need to step on the crazy profiteering and cockamainy way these private companies do business.

[Steppenwolf]

 

Fracking's been going on for years in this country, and the sky hasn't fallen in yet.

 

It's the future...embrace it.

As long as I am still alive...Never! When you say fracking has been going on for years, could you tell me examples, the only example of fracking in Uk which was so unsucessful that it had to be stopped due to protests and an earthquake. Fracking is really bad for the environment, much worse than coal or oil exploration. Not to mention that it wouldn't bring energy prices down or we wouldn't get any energy independence. The fat cats would get all the profits and would leave behind a ruined landscape.

 

I don't know about all of you that support it, but me as a shooter, hunter and in general a supporter of the countryside I don't want to see it ruined by an expensive and inefficient way of extracting for energy. We can all say, oh it's good for the economy and "it's not that bad" but if you were a farmer whose land it was done on would you be so happy?

[Steppenwolf]

 

No problem.

 

I live in an area with mine workings all over the place. There would be _much_ less risk from wells being fracked 1000's of feet underground.

 

Nial.

There have been cases where people's houses have split due to fracking, so if you'll be happy with that I suggest you move into the area and then you can tell me if you're still happy.

[Steppenwolf]

I'd say that shows that the UK as a whole understands the need for a reliable energy base and is at least open to the idea.

 

 

That's it it is not a reliable energy base. A new well every 6 months 200 yard down the road, it basically means there will be thousands of these wells to get any form of consistent energy from them.

[Steppenwolf]

Woman interviewed at Lunchtime on BBC complaining of lack of government spend om renewables - I think not when you consider the subsidies on wind and solar, both grossly inefficient and limited with a high visual impact on local environment, and with an energy footprint to build, install and maintain( in most cases in this country) greater than they will ever produce.

Both fracking and nuclear are the current answer bearing in mind these same numpties block any move towards tidal barrier and hydroelectric due to the "impact on nature and local environment".

LOL. I also don't agree with windfarms, they are a blight on the countryside and actually consume energy rather than generate it but they are far preferable to fracking in my opinion.

[Steppenwolf]

Oil/gas industries have been fracking for years now - it appears little more that a trendy thing to oppose it currently.

It is an entirely different process actually. OIl and gas exploration doesn't use so many chemicals and there are not as many wells being drilled as with fracking, plus facking is done on the quick so it's cheap.

[chrispti]

My girlfriends family Live right next to a proposed fracking site nr Blackpool, the house prices are dropping, house insurers won't give them cover, lorry loads of contaminated waste water will be going through what was once a quiet little town etc etc there's a lot more cons than there are pros .... I feel sorry for the locals.

Edited August 19, 2014 by chrispti

[Nial]

As long as I am still alive...Never! When you say fracking has been going on for years, could you tell me examples, the only example of fracking in Uk which was so unsucessful that it had to be stopped due to protests and an earthquake.

 

One example, Wytch Farm, Dorset.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/10233955/The-town-where-a-form-of-fracking-is-already-happening.html

 

"Academics say that this so-called “fracking” has been used on 200 wells across the UK over the last 20 years or so."

 

Where are you getting your information from as it's obviously incorrect?

 

There have been cases where people's houses have split due to fracking,

 

Rubbish.

 

Do you have a reference?

 

It is an entirely different process actually. OIl and gas exploration doesn't use so many chemicals

 

Ohhh, scary chemicals.....

 

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/10/31/haliburton-fracking-fluid/

 

Nial

Edited August 19, 2014 by Nial

[FalconFN]

LOL. I also don't agree with windfarms, they are a blight on the countryside and actually consume energy rather than generate it but they are far preferable to fracking in my opinion.

Where is our future energy going to come from then, and what will you be using to heat your home? Russian gas? Coal? French nuclear? Unobtanium?

 

Renewables have a place in our energy production, so does nuclear, but you have to have some realism here when it comes to gas. We either have to ship in liquid gas from the US, pipe it in from Russia or produce our own.

[ian g]

wind dont produce what it says on the tin but it dont consume energy to run them this country is begining to rely heavily on gas as the goverment and the eu force more of the coal fired powerstaions to close alot have gone in the past few year the answer should be reopen mines in this country and keep all the existing coal stations running and rely less on fossil fuel from round the world unfortunaly this will never happen

[poontang]

As long as I am still alive...Never!

 

Suit yourself.

 

You do sound as though you've been listening to a load of 'green propaganda?'

[lister22]

lets get on with the fracking and start spending big time on fusion research

[Steppenwolf]

 

Suit yourself.

 

You do sound as though you've been listening to a load of 'green propaganda?'

And you sound like you have been listening to the pro-fracking propaganda. I don't know about you but I like my countryside free from pollution and my water drinkable.

[Gordon R]

I'm with Poontang on this. Opponents of fracking always say there must be another way, but seem short on viable alternatives.

 

As for countryside free from pollution - I assume all vehicles should be banned from the countryside.