four-wheel-drive Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 The way that I see it its my money and I can spend it on whatever I choose to one thing though if I give money to an animal charity as long as it is not the RSPCA the money will be spent to help animals if I give to save starving people I cannot say the same as there is so much corruption in these countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I have no problems with contraception, I see preventing a life different to destroying one unlike some religion does not have anything to do with my views. How many died from illegal abortions, ? How many children have being killed aborted since the 1967 abortion act. I will answer one question for you,2012, there had been 7,918,241 abortions in England, Wales. Thankfully the 1967 abortion did not apply in N Ireland. So you are saying that we would be better off having 7.918.241 extra unwanted children living in this country are you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 depends on the human some humans i place way lower than dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 We are all equally worthless these days except the rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Edwards Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 When I was at college, we were taught a theory, called "Dependancy Theory", where developed countries keep poor countries in a permanent state of underdevelopment, in order to exploit it's resources and maintain their position as industrial powers. Now I'm starting to believe it, but even though this is a leftist theory, I still am very right-wing. My grandad worked on a building in London, which was the headquarters of a massive, but unnamed charity. He said that the building was no expense spared, and built with luxury in mind. All of the executives were pulling up in flashy Mercedes, head to toe in designer suits, with pretty young receptionists on the front desks. From that day, he has never given a penny to any charity, and why should you? Funding these Hooray-Henry execs, probably on hundreds of thousands a year, all funded by people who are kind enough to give, whereas the people or animals get a tiny percentage. The only thing you could say, is that you need someone with half a brain to run a big charity, and they're not going to do it for peanuts. Nobody's going to change the world by giving a pound a week. There comes a time where you should just look after yourself, your family, and your interests. If you do give to charity, then fair enough, but there'll be a bunch of execs taking a big slice of it to heat their swimming pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 The more I meet people the more I like my dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 The more I meet people the more I like my dog. many a truth said in jest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure of the swimming pool claim, but it wouldn't surprise me. Talking to a mate some time ago about charities who claimed that either Comic Relief or Children in Need had to make so many millions to fund the administration side of things before it could start to allocate funds to the various causes. It may be true, it may not, but doesn't it still mean that at least some money is going to causes where none was going before, or does it mean causes spring into being merely to absorb some of the funding available? What percentage of money raised actually goes to the cause portrayed? How much of a percentage of revenue garnered through lottery sales actually goes to good causes? There are literally 100's of charities out there ( I know because they all sent mail to my Mother ) but the only way I would give to one now is by actually shoving the money into the hand of that cause, and not some registered charity tin to be shared and distributed at the whim of who knows what. Is not the burnt down building in which the dogs were housed not insured? If so, how will all the funds donated be spent? Does anyone know? Has anyone asked? Edited September 16, 2014 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 The more I meet people the more I like my dog. many a truth said in jest Who's joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I find that contradictory, I don't see how someone can say they value human life and support abortion. I agree that's why i find it confusing. If you have one, you don't get the other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Speaking as a Catholic, the church and specifically the catholic church do not help with the "no contraception and no abortion" approach. Well they are fond of children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) So you are saying that we would be better off having 7.918.241 extra unwanted children living in this country are you. Yes. Do you think that children that are born and unwanted should put to sleep. You seem to make a distinction between children that are born and and those killed in the womb and their right to life I don't. We have the situation now that a baby can be aborted legally in one room. while in another room doctors could be battling to save a premature babies of the same age life, and if the doctor killed the baby he would be up for murder. That's my view you have yours no point arguing about it. Edited September 16, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Being born is only part of the equation the child needs to be brought up as well and the parents obviously wont be willing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 After living in Africa for 25 years, I know that no amount of money or aid will make the slightest bit of difference to the people there. I imagine the same is true in other over-populated 3rd world countries. Life is cheap, which is why so many kids are born to parents who have absolutely no possibility of raising them in any meaningful way. Survival of the fittest doesn't just apply in the animal kingdom. Hearing about 50 dogs being burned to death by some young scrote makes my blood boil, but seeing adverts on TV looking for handouts and showing kids with big eyes and pathetic looks on their faces does nothing for me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 After living in Africa for 25 years, I know that no amount of money or aid will make the slightest bit of difference to the people there. I would appreciate it if you would elaborate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 The only reasons people are starving in the third world are 1: they can't move to some where were there is food or the possibility of growing food as would have happened a few thousand years ago or 2: they don't have the money to bring the food to them and that isn't going to change no matter how many millions of £ we send it will never get to how needs it. After all pictures of starving kids is good for the charities and good for the leader of the countries, keeps the money rolling in! The only people that do any real charitable work are you and I by putting our hands in our pockets! I was shocked and a bit horrified to find out that someone i know very well who had cancer some time ago and now does a bit for a cancer charity puts in a claim for expenses! My veiw on charity is it may cost you a bit of money and or time but that is what you are giving! Sorry that turned in to a bit of a rant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 because it cut the death rate on illegal abortions and in many other situations its health related. The Catholic church has spoken out against contraception also is that an issue to your faith also? It creates lots more catholics as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Yes. Do you think that children that are born and unwanted should put to sleep. You seem to make a distinction between children that are born and and those killed in the womb and their right to life I don't. We have the situation now that a baby can be aborted legally in one room. while in another room doctors could be battling to save a premature babies of the same age life, and if the doctor killed the baby he would be up for murder. That's my view you have yours no point arguing about it. Agree 100% Ordnance. See a baby at 24 weeks and see if you could kill that child because that is what it is, not a bunch of cells , it's a fully formed baby. When it was introduced, the abortion act was one of those " abortions are rare" Now it's almost a form of birth control for some. In answer to the question from Four wheel drive, yes i would have the 7918241 children. As a couple who struggled to have children and were lucky on our 2nd cycle of IVF ( which we paid for before anyone complains) I find it incredible that anyone could agree to their child being murdered. In exceptional circumstances such as rape, danger to the mother etc i can see why a termination is needed. The morning after pill should help but why wait 24 weeks? After living in Africa for 25 years, I know that no amount of money or aid will make the slightest bit of difference to the people there. I imagine the same is true in other over-populated 3rd world countries. Life is cheap, which is why so many kids are born to parents who have absolutely no possibility of raising them in any meaningful way. Survival of the fittest doesn't just apply in the animal kingdom. Hearing about 50 dogs being burned to death by some young scrote makes my blood boil, but seeing adverts on TV looking for handouts and showing kids with big eyes and pathetic looks on their faces does nothing for me at all. Sadly I agree with your first point, we have thrown money at the problem for over 40 years to my knowledge and it has changed nothing. Edited September 16, 2014 by keg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Agree 100% Ordnance. See a baby at 24 weeks and see if you could kill that child because that is what it is, not a bunch of cells , it's a fully formed baby. When it was introduced, the abortion act was one of those " abortions are rare" Now it's almost a form of birth control for some. In answer to the question from Four wheel drive, yes i would have the 7918241 children. As a couple who struggled to have children and were lucky on our 2nd cycle of IVF ( which we paid for before anyone complains) I find it incredible that anyone could agree to their child being murdered. In exceptional circumstances such as rape, danger to the mother etc i can see why a termination is needed. The morning after pill should help but why wait 24 weeks? Sadly I agree with your first point, we have thrown money at the problem for over 40 years to my knowledge and it has changed nothing. Humanity hey, don't give to charity they buy big cars etc etc jeez, I had a friend who was a theatre technician and spent a lot of time assisting at abortions he once spoke in a hushed voice to me about foetus/s that cried, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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