nicknsd1978 Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Hi had my first session on my own today after having lessons.....didn't do fantastic but I suppose practice will make perfect. The next step is to get my own gun in the next week or so. Was thinking of a silver pigeon but wonder if spending £1300 plus on my first gun is taking things a little too far. A guy I was shooting with today had a Webley & Scott which made me think about things once I got home. What are people's thoughts? Just been looking at the 900 delux for a fraction of the price of a silver pigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 The newer Webley and Scotts are made in Turkey and I understand they have been having some quality control issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknsd1978 Posted September 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Oh dear....should I stay away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 If you get a second hand Silver Pigeon, it will hold its value over time. Something to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Webley and NOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I wouldn't for very good reason, for £800 you'll get a good used beretta that will still be worth that in 3 years time, look at use W&S prices.....these days poorly finished guns made in turkey. If you want cheaper look at ATA-Arms its a beretta clone made in turkey for aorund the same money But i would still goised and try before you buy. http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/ata-arms-sp-silver http://www.gunstar.co.uk/ata-arms-12g-shotgun-for-sale-in-lancashire/Shotguns/679086#pua4eebolil4FCiQ.97 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Beretta_Shotgun_686-E_For-Sale_140912094209001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknsd1978 Posted September 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 The majority of silver pigeons I'm seeing are 28" but the guns I have been using in my lessons are 30"....will this make much of a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 The majority of silver pigeons I'm seeing are 28" but the guns I have been using in my lessons are 30"....will this make much of a difference No, not at our level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Shoot one and find out you may prefer the 28" tubes OR buy a proper gun http://www.gunstar.co.uk/miroku-mk38-grade-1-sporter-teagued-12g-shotgun-for-sale-in-/Shotguns/709210#fKR7HgDM7sPRYiRT.97 Edited September 21, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknsd1978 Posted September 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 What difference does the length of the barrel make? I'm about 5'10" and medium build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 What difference does the length of the barrel make? I'm about 5'10" and medium build I think a longer barrel makes for a smoother swing generally but I doubt many of us would notice a small difference. It's certainly not a deal breaker and 28" is fine for an average gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Chris Batha "Breaking Clays" book has a lot on the pros and cons of different gun types, barrel lenghts etc. A good investment for anyone starting up. I am still on a fast learning curve. If you go to a gunshop on a clay ground they will often let you try a secondhand gun before you buy it. Get someone who knows about gunfit with you or a gunsmith from the shop. If the gun isn't a reasonable fit to you you won't shoot your best with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 What she said or you could end up with a turkey from Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 You can buy a new W&S at the fraction of the cost of a new Beretta/Browning/Miroku, but when you come to trade in your W&S (if you haven't had to return it for fault rectifying first) you will lose money dramatically. They are simply not as desirable ( for a reason) as the makes I've just outlined, and a good secondhand version of any of those will keep its money simply because they are desirable guns, for a reason. The link HDAV has provided is a good example of a good, desirable gun at a good price. Forget about barrel length; you wont miss targets because of barrel length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknsd1978 Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 i'm guessing paying a few hundred pounds more upfront will save allot of heartache further down the line....I'm just a tight *** that's my problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 A well made gun is a beautiful piece of machinery and often a work of art too. If you have a well made gun that fits you you will be proud of it and want to do your best with it. It doesn't have to cost hundreds of thousands, but it is worth investing in a decent gun so you will get the most enjoyment out of it. If you buy something cheap you could quickly regret it. If you can wait a while before getting your own gun, the more you learn the better your final choice will be. A good well looked after 2nd hand gun can be a great investment as it doesn't lose much value if you look after it too. These can often be bought for the same or little more than a new cheap quality gun. Hope you get as much enjoyment out of learning to shoot as I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I would not touch a Webley and Not with your barge pole. The ATA is a good entry gun if you want to buy new, nice looking as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayshooter09 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Get a browning b525 There good value. I got a b725 but I had it at good price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayshooter09 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Get a browning b525 There good value. I got a b725 but I had it at good price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrior Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Hello I would say , try a few makes , you will prefer the feel of one over another, Don't buy on recommendation , buy one that feels right for you, People tend to like either lighter slimmer guns like beretta or chunkier heavier like browning / miroku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashman1 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Good advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squash wavy Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I did buy a Silver Pigeon brand new as my first gun with little prior shooting experience. Although I must have put through 10,000 shots through it in 18 months, without fault, in hindsight I should have really bought one second hand. Really gun fit is the most important thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknsd1978 Posted September 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 So much excellent advice. Thankyou everyone for your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddymallard Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi all speaking as a new Webley owner one of the new ones and having put 3 slabs through it I can't fault it I also shoot a silver pigeon 5 had it for years now never had a problem with it paid 460 for the Webley paid more for silver 5 at the end of the day both guns shoot fine Best regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Go to a good gunshop with plenty of choice and feel the guns, I personally don't prefer berettas as they do not feel compfy, I have always got on with browning miroku and even lanber. You might feel at home with berettas or similar there's only you knows. But please forget the names if you can shoot a £50 biakal better than a silver pigeon go with what you can use. Atb in your search. Atb delburt0.... For what it's worth I bought a new winchester sx3 last week semi auto really lovely handling gun, never had a winchester semi before but loving it... Edited October 13, 2014 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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