toxo Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Just a rant about the above.FEO appointment was for 9.00am Thursday. Was building a gun cabinet but decided not to risk it and bought one from GDK on fleabay on Monday night. I left a message with the order saying it was imperative I have it by Wednesday. Didn't pay for it then, deciding to call to make sure of the express delivery first thing Tuesday morning. Spoke to the seller/owner on Tuesday morning repeating that it had to be here for Wednesday. "No problem" says he. "If you pay for express it will be there before 12 midday on Wednesday.". He charged me £17 for express delivery instead of the £9.99 on the listing and I got a text message at 11.45 on Wednasday morning telling me my item has been shipped. OMG. After me making his hair crinkle in the pm he said he would try to expedite the delivery and it turned up whilst the FEO was sitting on my Sofa on Thursday morning.I sent a message via fleabay telling him I wanted a refund on the postage to which he replied that I wasn't charged for express because he had cancelled it. My bank statement says different. Ebay gave lip service and made the right noises but won't do anything because I didn't pay via PayPal.Before I posted this I called him again. Finally got him to admit he was wrong and offered to refund the difference or refund all of the delivery costs if I retracted the negative feedback. I told him "Just the difference please. Not retracting as you could have jeopardised my FAC despite clear instructions" to which he said "OK". That was an hour ago abd I've just checked my bank and he's paid nothing. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprinter Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Good luck with that. Similar saga when I ordered mine. Specifically waited to order on extra cost next day delivery so that I would be in when it was delivered. It didnt come, nor the day after either. Two days later I got home from work to find it propped up against my front door (terrace on the street) carefully labelled in big letters "GDK delux 6 gun cabinet with top ammo safe". May as well have been whistling in the wind when I was speaking to him about this..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Also note these are NOT tested to BS7558:1992So not guaranteed to be accepted by FEO EDIT: My info may have been wrong as website does state http://www.gdktrading.co.uk/gun-cabinets All of our safes are built and tested to BS7558/92 to guarantee police approval. Edited October 18, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 thats made his day then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxo Posted October 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Also note these are NOT tested to BS7558:1992 So not guaranteed to be accepted by FEO I'd like to see where this BS is listed as a dealbreaker benchmark. Haven't checked for a while but the nearest I could find to defining a gun cabinet design was that a determined person couldn't get the contents out in five minutes with a hammer and a cold chisel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 If you have paid by debit/credit card call them and explain and they will move forward with this and claim your money back for you. I had similar with a jeep that I bought, paid the company via card week later the car broke down phoned company up was told it was my fault it had broken down as I had taken it off road he wouldn't help to fix the problem, phoned my bank they froze his account under the sales of goods act instantly. The company rang me and wanted to help in everyway. So if they can do that on 12k they will definitely do it on 8 quid Hope this helps Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'd like to see where this BS is listed as a dealbreaker benchmark. Haven't checked for a while but the nearest I could find to defining a gun cabinet design was that a determined person couldn't get the contents out in five minutes with a hammer and a cold chisel.I have never heard of anyone get refused a ticket because they have a gdk safe, you'll be fine with it they sell thousands to the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'd like to see where this BS is listed as a dealbreaker benchmark. Haven't checked for a while but the nearest I could find to defining a gun cabinet design was that a determined person couldn't get the contents out in five minutes with a hammer and a cold chisel. It isn't, however if it is BS7558:2008 approved they can't say it doesn't meet the requirements. Personally i think it worth paying the extra for one that has passed the standard but thats just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabhui Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I had a GDK safe before buying a bigger safe and had no problems when it was inspected by the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 My gun cabinet is nearly 40 years old. It pre-dates the British Standard by quite a few years. Never had an issue with FEOs in Beds or Thames Valley police forces. However, it is constructed to the same specification that the BS uses. No pretty stickers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I had to threaten them with the credit card police after buying a trap that wasn't fit for purpose, Couldn't fault their delivery mind but their customer service leaves a lot to be desired, From what I gather he is a farmer who has diversified into what they sell, Or could just be based on a farm as that's their address, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxo Posted October 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 It isn't, however if it is BS7558:2008 approved they can't say it doesn't meet the requirements. Personally i think it worth paying the extra for one that has passed the standard but thats just me. Again, show me where "The requirements" that are to be met are listed. At the end of the day, it once again depends on what side of the bed the FEO got out that morning. Rsd1990; Thanks for that but I'm not going to stress about this. He admitted he was wrong (even if he did try to blame the courier) I've given folk a heads up. Life goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) My gun cabinet is nearly 40 years old. It pre-dates the British Standard by quite a few years. Never had an issue with FEOs in Beds or Thames Valley police forces. However, it is constructed to the same specification that the BS uses. No pretty stickers though. Mines the same Phil, it's listed as a "non standard construction" but passes all their requirements Edited October 17, 2014 by shaun4860 because I'm a numpty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Again, show me where "The requirements" that are to be met are listed. At the end of the day, it once again depends on what side of the bed the FEO got out that morning. Rsd1990; Thanks for that but I'm not going to stress about this. He admitted he was wrong (even if he did try to blame the courier) I've given folk a heads up. Life goes on. Listed in home office guidance there is specific section that deals with cabinet construction. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117794/security_leaflet.pdf It is recommended that a cabinet should have the following features: It should be made from sheet steel at least 14 swg (standard wire gauge) (2 mm) thick. All seams should be continuously welded, or the cabinet body formed by bend construction. All hinges should be on the inside of the cabinet, but if they are external or exposed, then hinge bolts, blocks or anti-lever bars should be provided. Lock mechanisms should be on the inside of the cabinet. The lock should contain at least 5 levers to BS 3621 standard or equivalent. Alternatively, good quality hardened padlocks and staples should be fitted to the cabinet. Full-length side hinged cabinets should have two locks at points one third and two-thirds the height of the cabinet. The cabinet may contain, or have attached, a separate lockable container to store ammunition Edited October 17, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 To be fair we don't actually have to have a gun cabinet, only have to have the guns kept securely. The fact that you have a cabinet is usually enough to meet this requirement and 2 of my cabinets don't have BS standards on them but the locks do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxo Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Listed in home office guidance there is specific section that deals with cabinet construction. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117794/security_leaflet.pdf It is recommended that a cabinet should have the following features: It should be made from sheet steel at least 14 swg (standard wire gauge) (2 mm) thick. All seams should be continuously welded, or the cabinet body formed by bend construction. All hinges should be on the inside of the cabinet, but if they are external or exposed, then hinge bolts, blocks or anti-lever bars should be provided. Lock mechanisms should be on the inside of the cabinet. The lock should contain at least 5 levers to BS 3621 standard or equivalent. Alternatively, good quality hardened padlocks and staples should be fitted to the cabinet. Full-length side hinged cabinets should have two locks at points one third and two-thirds the height of the cabinet. The cabinet may contain, or have attached, a separate lockable container to store ammunition Look. I was just trying to give peeps a head up on a dodgy transaction. You jumped in with "must have". Your last post was littered with the words "should have or should be" not must have or must be. There is no definitive law laid down and hundreds of people are using gun cabinets that are perfectly acceptable. The only thing I don't like is that it's open to interpretation by the FEO. We'd all like to know exactly where we stand on things like this but I would hesitate to urge any changes to the law because any changes would be in their favour and not ours resulting in our cabinets costing far more than they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I disagree that a BS7558 tested cabinet costs "far more" the standard has been around for many years...since 1992 in fact, on my renewal security check the BS number was looked for. http://www.brattonsound.co.uk/sentinel.html However my information may have been out of date as the website now states http://www.gdktrading.co.uk/gun-cabinets All of our safes are built and tested to BS7558/92 to guarantee police approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxo Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I disagree that a BS7558 tested cabinet costs "far more" the standard has been around for many years...since 1992 in fact, on my renewal security check the BS number was looked for. http://www.brattonsound.co.uk/sentinel.html However my information may have been out of date as the website now states http://www.gdktrading.co.uk/gun-cabinets Please don't put words in my mouth. I said no such thing. I said that any legislation that leads to a definitive "British Standard" as opposed to "should have" or "should be" would lead to higher prices because the specs would be beefed up to their satisfaction. At the moment there is no BS laid down IN LAW and so the GDK quote is simply a gimmick. You should see the mickey mouse lock on my ammo door inside the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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