stuart92 Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 hi all what is the difference between pba pellet and a lead is it wight or sumthing like that becouse i was looking at a Gamo Shadow Varmint Hunter and it sed with a pba pellet it had 1200 fps but wid a lead it was like 1000 fps. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart92 Posted March 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 hi all what is the difference between pba pellet and a lead is it wight or sumthing like that becouse i was looking at a Gamo Shadow Varmint Hunter and it sed with a pba pellet it had 1200 fps but wid a lead it was like 1000 fps. thanks duse eney body have an body ave an i dear??? help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykayaker Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Sorry cant help but i'm sure someone will be along soon with the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I'm not too sure what you actually want to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart92 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I'm not too sure what you actually want to know what the differs between them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 hi all what is the difference between pba pellet and a lead is it wight or sumthing like that becouse i was looking at a Gamo Shadow Varmint Hunter and it sed with a pba pellet it had 1200 fps but wid a lead it was like 1000 fps. thanks That does sound like FAC levels to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart92 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 hi all what is the difference between pba pellet and a lead is it wight or sumthing like that becouse i was looking at a Gamo Shadow Varmint Hunter and it sed with a pba pellet it had 1200 fps but wid a lead it was like 1000 fps. thanks That does sound like FAC levels to me oh lust wndring that all stu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 PBA Perfomance Balistic Alloy As it is LIGHTER than Lead it can offer higher velocity rather like trying a 12gr pellet through your .22 then a 18gr you will not the 12gr FPS rate. It will be LOWER than that of the 12gr. In .177 the PBA is only 5.4 grain so almost HALF the weight of a crossman premier or Bisley magnum of the same Calibre. Taking this into consideration then the .177 FPS rating can dramatically increase. The PBA at 5.4gr can travel at 1000fps and be within the 12fpe UK limit. It actually equates to 11.994 FPE The PBA is designed as a Hunting load and due to weight can offer upto 25% increase in velocity. It is ALSO 50% harder than lead so has greater penetration upto 100% better and is quite stable at supersonic speeds according to the blurbs The Yanks currently pay about £5 for 100 though so they are DAMN expensive LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart92 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 PBA Perfomance Balistic Alloy As it is LIGHTER than Lead it can offer higher velocity rather like trying a 12gr pellet through your .22 then a 18gr you will not the 12gr FPS rate. It will be LOWER than that of the 12gr. In .177 the PBA is only 5.4 grain so almost HALF the weight of a crossman premier or Bisley magnum of the same Calibre. Taking this into consideration then the .177 FPS rating can dramatically increase. The PBA at 5.4gr can travel at 1000fps and be within the 12fpe UK limit. It actually equates to 11.994 FPE The PBA is designed as a Hunting load and due to weight can offer upto 25% increase in velocity. It is ALSO 50% harder than lead so has greater penetration upto 100% better and is quite stable at supersonic speeds according to the blurbs The Yanks currently pay about ?5 for 100 though so they are DAMN expensive LG wow thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col s10 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 ggreat reply bit too techno for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 5g @ 1200fps = accuracy like that of my backside and a lovely sonic crack if the pellet holds up? cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 5g @ 1200fps = accuracy like that of my backside and a lovely sonic crack if the pellet holds up?cheers KW Not only as stated will it break the sound barrier, it will also produce 17.26ftlbs, using LG's 5.4 gr and Stu's 1200ft/s info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 5g @ 1200fps = accuracy like that of my backside and a lovely sonic crack if the pellet holds up? cheers KW Not only as stated will it break the sound barrier, it will also produce 17.26ftlbs, using LG's 5.4 gr and Stu's 1200ft/s info. As i say Chairgun says that the pellet will have to be at 1000FPS to be WITHIN the limit. If you BUY a batch of these i stronlgy advise you Chrono the pellets as even if all your other pellets stay within the law then the PBA may STILL creep slightly over :blink: Slight may as well be 80FPE when it comes to FAC regulations Not so bad when you own a gun like a Falcon which can easily be tweaked to bring it UNDER the 12FPE but a ****** if using a springer :blink: As i say TEST them on the Chrono first before commiting to using them LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I'd have thought you'd be safe using them in a pre charged gun. They normally gain power as the pellet weight increases. Springers like the lighter pellets though, so as you say, they could cause bother. I've never seen these things, may have to try them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 PBA Perfomance Balistic Alloy As it is LIGHTER than Lead it can offer higher velocity rather like trying a 12gr pellet through your .22 then a 18gr you will not the 12gr FPS rate. It will be LOWER than that of the 12gr. In .177 the PBA is only 5.4 grain so almost HALF the weight of a crossman premier or Bisley magnum of the same Calibre. Taking this into consideration then the .177 FPS rating can dramatically increase. The PBA at 5.4gr can travel at 1000fps and be within the 12fpe UK limit. It actually equates to 11.994 FPE The PBA is designed as a Hunting load and due to weight can offer upto 25% increase in velocity. It is ALSO 50% harder than lead so has greater penetration upto 100% better and is quite stable at supersonic speeds according to the blurbs The Yanks currently pay about £5 for 100 though so they are DAMN expensive LG nice bit of advice there ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Not sure of whats the point here 11.994 is correct for 5.4@ 1000 fps, but its er a bit to close to the limit for comfort for non fac holders and why such a light pellet if you want velocity you may as well have thump to go with it? ! would question the humane kill factor of a highly penetrative but LIGHT pellet going @ 1000fps against 16 g of lead going @ 1080fps cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I know it's close to the limit and perhaps a tad too close BUT what i am tring to warn people here is it MAY be OVER depending on the gun and to test them first before using them. ALL of my rifles are either 11.6 or below as i had a Fiasco with Falcon who shipped my gun 3 times and it was over 13FPE each time I ended up reducing the power myself. The last thing ANYBODY needs is to buy a new pellet go hunting OR shooting and get lynched after someone phones plod only to be told AFTER a police test it is 12FPE+ Hence get it tested BEFORE taking the gun out. I Also hear your argument of OVER PENETRATION rather than stopping power which is a valid point The PBA's Design means it does NOT deform as much as Lead hence it's higher penetration. Placed in the right area it can STILL have the desired effect. As with most other pellets shot placement is the key and a good headshot from around 30 yards should produce results. I have seen Pigeons dropped with a SINGLE shot from a shotgun shell from around 30 yards. I also shot a Hare last season and upon inspection 1 shot hit the head and there were NO other marks on the beast again No5 shot was used on this occasion and the distance approx 30 yards. Number 6 shot will be around 2 to 2.5 grain per ball No 5 perhaps as far as 3 Grain. Reading a Wildfolwing page on the internet i was reading a size 4 shot fired at 1250FPS only delivers 4.5fpe when it reaches 40 yards and is capable even at 4.5fpe of a kill. No4 Shot is about 3.5 Grain per ball and as such LIGHTER than the PBA pellet. I do agree though that a heavier alternative is much prefered like a 40gr lead projectile but alas a lot of us can't get issued with the means to deliver this projectile and have to fall within the sub 12fpe fraternity. Some good old fashioned Testing with balistic putty could be called for to ellaborate on the posibilities of the PBA but i DO think it will have it's applications though at the current price i will be sticking with my Bisley Magnums :blink: LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 My take on it is forget it, get some accupells or aa fields and go out shooting and enjoy yourself rather than worrying about all this stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 My take on it is forget it, get some accupells or aa fields and go out shooting and enjoy yourself rather than worrying about all this stuff :blink: LOL, I agree totally!! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyjaimz Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Seconded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col s10 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 thirded :blink: :blink: is that a word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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