matth12321 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 So I've been working as a self employed Landscaper / Gardner for 2 years now and I've built up a huge customer list. It's now got to the point I want to employ someone but I don't know where to start... Do I go PAYE or take on someone who is self employed? How do I stop them walking off with half my customers if they leave? Where do I get contracts written up? I've found a few generic ones on line but nothing specific for my line of work. Pensions? Tax? National inscurance? The more research I do the less sure I am about everything... Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Speak to Thunderbird, he does this for a living and knows his stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Talk to your local tax office . They are usually pretty good at helping you do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 We used to do this in a biggish way. Your guy will need a CIS card I'm afraid if he's self employed which makes paye that bit more complicated but more importantly you'll need one. I have a generic contract I can send you if that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matth12321 Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I'm all ready cis registered so that's not to much of a problem, how does it effect taking someone on PAYE? I thought it only dealt with contractors and subcontractors? Thanks! That would be great, I'll pm you my email in a sec! Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 If you have got a huge customer list,bang your prices up. If you lose some,so what. That's what I did and I hardly lost any. I use casual labour(all legit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Not an issue paye, you'll be taxed in a lump under CIS plus paye if I remember rightly but I'll refresh my memory on that one. Costs a fortune to employ people though and don't forget they will probs need tickets eg manual handling, digger etc. employer liability also a consideration. Depends how big you are as to overheads, too. Edited November 21, 2014 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 You can't have somebody self employed working solely for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 You can't have somebody self employed working solely for you. Of course you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 No you can't, they have to have own tools, vehicle etc. because they aren't regular they can be a good starting point if work picks up / drops off in winter, though. If self employed strictly speaking they should have their own insurance too. Of course you can No, you can't, they have to have proof they're self sufficient and working for other people under CIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 IR35 Google it. Fail that test and it could cost you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 IR35 Google it. Fail that test and it could cost you. Whereas back in the real world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I'll send you hubby's number tomorrow Matthew, he'll help you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 No you can't, they have to have own tools, vehicle etc. because they aren't regular they can be a good starting point if work picks up / drops off in winter, though. If self employed strictly speaking they should have their own insurance too. No, you can't, they have to have proof they're self sufficient and working for other people under CIS No they don't, I've been subbing for 30 yrs without any problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Whereas back in the real world... Couldn't agree more. Open forum and all that. Everything above board here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 You can't have somebody self employed working solely for you. Correct IR35 Google it. Fail that test and it could cost you. IR35 is aimed at service companies, but there are tests that HMRC uses to establish if someone is employed or self employed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Will never have PAYE again,,, involved in construction when work slowed I was faced with redundancy having to keep PPl working etc not worth it and I'm just a small company keep it self employed rem if it rains for 3 wks you still have to pay the PAYE man......holiday pay more rights than you and if your ever faced with having to sack someone good luck with the court case.......lol..... Edited November 21, 2014 by millrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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