Out of shear interest

[welsh1]

And yet I can write, read and express myself much better than the vast majority of native speakers. You found one mistake. I hold my hand up, I did make a mistake. At least I am not blaming someone else for my error. Back on topic now.

Hang on ,you belittle someone for bad grammar and continue to have a pop at them when we pull you up about it,yet when you are taken to task about your grammar,you shrug it off by proclaiming yourself superior to others ,and that we should ignore it and get back on topic.

Now this may be a bit alien to you, but you started this by complaining about someone's inability to communicate and the use of bad diction,yet when you are pulled up for bad diction you try to sweep it to one side.

 

Double standards,or in your eyes is it that "all men are equal,but some are more equal than others"

 

 

HYPOCRITE.

[FalconFN]

Hang on ,you belittle someone for bad grammar and continue to have a pop at them when we pull you up about it,yet when you are taken to task about your grammar,you shrug it off by proclaiming yourself superior to others ,and that we should ignore it and get back on topic.

Now this may be a bit alien to you, but you started this by complaining about someone's inability to communicate and the use of bad diction,yet when you are pulled up for bad diction you try to sweep it to one side.

 

Double standards,or in your eyes is it that "all men are equal,but some are more equal than others"

 

 

HYPOCRITE.

Steady on, I think his point was pretty clearly stated, he wasn't belittling someone for bad grammar - that would be full time job on here, instead he was pointing out the irony that Sable was blaming the EU [and immigration] for the loss of the English language whilst doing a spectacular job of mullering it himself (which I also though was hilarious when I read it).

 

There is a certain irony that in doing so he too made a grammatical mistake but to be fair he never blamed the EU for that. He hardly deserves shouting hypocrite at him any more than sable deserves shouting at for the massively self aggrandizing 'we the British people don't want....' statement.

 

It's easy to pick holes in others posts if you don't agree with their stance but you then can't gloss over others posts because you are on the same 'team'............ that would be hypocritical

Edited November 30, 2014 by FalconFN

[Psyxologos]

Steady on, I think his point was pretty clearly stated, he wasn't belittling someone for bad grammar - that would be full time job on here, instead he was pointing out the irony that Sable was blaming the EU [and immigration] for the loss of the English language whilst doing a spectacular job of mullering it himself (which I also though was hilarious when I read it).

 

There is a certain irony that in doing so he too made a grammatical mistake but to be fair he never blamed the EU for that. He hardly deserves shouting hypocrite at him any more than sable deserves shouting at for the massively self aggrandizing 'we the British people don't want....' statement.

 

It's easy to pick holes in others posts if you don't agree with their stance but you then can't gloss over others posts because you are on the same 'team'............ that would be hypocritical

 

Spot on. I do not blame him though. I suspect he got carried away as his enthusiasm reading the mundane point made by his fellow 'party' supporter took over his judgement which led him thinking he had a point. I am sure now that if he was to read my posts again; he would be quick to realize the validity of the point I was trying to convey, and the absurdity of the 'we the British' statement made by the other poster. This was the first, and most likely last time I ever comment on someone's command of the language, and it was a deliberate one as I found it exceptional one would blame others for the demise of his language and/or culture, whilst being unable to follow even some of the most basic rules this language has. Now, to be call hypocrite for doing so whilst using one word (albeit twice) in the wrong context, well. Hardly fitting or fair, I thought. And more to the point, there was no grammatical error on my part, as the welsh gentleman wrongly stated. Merely a pragmatic one (twice) ...

 

Can we now please return to the substance of this thread?

Edited November 30, 2014 by Psyxologos

[poontang]

 

I suspect he got carried away as his enthusiasm reading the mundane point made by his fellow 'party' supporter

 

Mundane to you perhaps, but a salient point nonetheless.

 

Going back to the substance of the thread. Yes, get out of the EU as it is now, and make it a trading bloc only.

 

There's absolutely no need for political union to be able to trade. No other trading areas do it, and nor should we.

[Yellow Bear]

Double standards,or in your eyes is it that "all men are equal,but some are more equal than others"

 

 

HYPOCRITE.

No - typical socialist - equality for all as long as I am more equal

[Psyxologos]

Mundane to you perhaps, but a salient point nonetheless

 

 

Going back to the substance of the thread. Yes, get out of the EU as it is now, and make it a trading bloc only.

 

There's absolutely no need for political union to be able to trade. No other trading areas do it, and nor should we.

 

I insist, your point was mundane, and not salient at all. I commented on this person's language on the post as he specifically attributed the demise of British culture and language to non British people. My point was that, unless it was a non british teacher who was responsible for his appalling disregard for even the most basic rules of the English language, his ''we the British'' statement was -in a bizarre way- both hilarious and absurd. You -correctly- pointed out the erroneous use of one word amongst my post. A mundane observation, as my mistake was neither substantial (I wrote dictation rather than diction, both words with the same root, used to describe very similar -albeit not identical- things), nor integral to the validity of my point. On top of that, I did not ascribe my failing to anyone but myself. I understand (given the profound lack of arguments coming both from yourself and other followers of farce's 'party' in this thread and others) your desperate effort to find something to score you some points, but anyone who takes the time to read what has been written in this thread and others would easily be able to see through your post.

 

Back to the substance of the thread now. No, you are wrong. The European Union, even in its infancy was designed with political union as its ultimate goal. It is in its founding declarations, treaties, agreements, agendas etc (most notably the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (1958), the Treaty on European Union (1992) aka Maastricht Treaty, and the agenda known as Europe 1992). Of course after this we have the treaty Lisbon which reaffirmed the commitment of the European nations to go ahead with the original plans. You most probably are confusing the European Union with legal entities and treaties such as the European Communities, European Free Trade Association, the European Economic Community and the European Economic Area; entities that are either part of the European Union's basic pillars (in the case of the European Economic Community which later was renamed European Economic Area and part of it is still alive in the case of Norway, Switzerland etc), or are part of expired treaties and agreements (such as the European Coal and Steel Community [ECSC], and the European Atomic Energy Community [EAEC or Euratom]).

 

This is where people's ignorance about the facts becomes a political toy in opportunistic hands, and is used for goals that are far from noble. Populists like farce and his 'party' use this lack of knowledge of the facts amongst part of the population in order to manipulate them into empowering 'parties' like this with their vote. They pray on people's -justified, in my opinion- discontent with the establishment by shouting loudly what the populous wants to hear, whilst keeping their agenda closed to scrutiny. I keep asking what farce's stance on the NHS, Education, the Economy etc is, but in vain, none of you know or care to say. Thanks to some leaked videos on-line though, the true face of this monstrosity of a 'party' are shown. There are weeks that we get daily evidence what 'distinguished' individuals in farce's 'party' think about the NHS; non white people, women, homosexuals (anyone who is not white, middle class, male, middle aged and fat, really); the economy, education and everything else that each citizen should care about (well, he is referring to 'subjects' after all, not citizens) but farce's propaganda machine has the answer ready. Shout a bit louder about immigrants, the pressures they bring to the NHS, the welfare state and you will soon divert the attention of the masses. Clearly it works with some, thankfully the vast majority of the population knows better.

 

Who cares that there are places where three generations of people who have not worked a day in their life and are rather content in their council home with their 5 kids (from different partners) smoking pot sitting in front of their 40'' plasma TV watching big brother whilst petting their pit bull with their tattooed forearm that reads 'come on England' in black ink over David Beckham's impeccable head. Nobody cares these people are using up funds that should be diverted to those who need them dearly, and would do anything to be able to work, but cannot as they are disabled, care for a family member or God knows what else genuinely prevents them from earning a living. Who has the guts to actually do something about all that? It is easier to paint all those on welfare in the same stroke and say they are all scroungers, it is far easier to blame the seasonal worker who comes over from Poland, Bulgaria etc to pick the strawberries and clean the toilets the proud British chavs think is below them to do? Labour cultivated this as an easy way to earn the support of the masses, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats pretend they want to do something about it but fail miserably to make any changes worthy of any results.

 

Who cares if the NHS is carved up, and the most profitable (and simple to carry out) bits are given to Cameron's mates, leaving the least profitable, and yet by some diabolical coincidence harder to do and absolutely vital parts with the struggling Trusts?

 

Who gives a damn that many children in primary schools in this country are borderline illiterate? Schools concentrate on achieving results in A levels, and produce youth that memorize, rather than learn and think? With so many students achieving A* in their exams, this country should be a MENSA hotbed.

 

Who cares that London concentrates all the -fake- wealth, and almost all the investment in infrastructure is there? Who cares if the English north East, the North West, Scotland and Wales are left behind?

 

Who actually cares enough to do something about the fact that banks and their 'golden boys' are not only bailed out from a bankruptcy they are responsible for bestowing upon all of us, but are also rewarded with huge tax cuts and bonuses because otherwise 'the best will go out of Britain'...

 

 

No, our biggest problem is the bloody foreigners, who come here and take our jobs, clog our NHS, take our social housing, and corrupt our language and culture.

 

It is more complicated than farce wants you to believe, I do hope that you will see it some time soon...

 

 

No - typical socialist - equality for all as long as I am more equal

 

Now I am a socialist. Well, I have heard it all. If I am not following farce's 'party' like a sheep and refuse to question whatever drivel comes out of this man's mouth I must be a leftie, don't I?

Edited December 1, 2014 by Psyxologos

[Munzy]

Some very good points in there Psyxologos.

 

BUT... Please stop using quotation marks around the word "Party" when referring to UKIP.

 

UKIP is an official political party whether you like it or not and as s a UKIP supporter I take great offence that you insinuate that the party I support is not a real political party.

 

I don't agree with Labour's socialist support of laziness and their cultivation of an expectation of support, however, I know better than to refer to them as "...the Labour 'party'..." which would make me look rather pathetic.

[welsh1]

 

I insist, your point was mundane, and not salient at all. I commented on this person's language on the post as he specifically attributed the demise of British culture and language to non British people. My point was that, unless it was a non british teacher who was responsible for his appalling disregard for even the most basic rules of the English language, his ''we the British'' statement was -in a bizarre way- both hilarious and absurd. You -correctly- pointed out the erroneous use of one word amongst my post. A mundane observation, as my mistake was neither substantial (I wrote dictation rather than diction, both words with the same root, used to describe very similar -albeit not identical- things), nor integral to the validity of my point. On top of that, I did not ascribe my failing to anyone but myself. I understand (given the profound lack of arguments coming both from yourself and other followers of farce's 'party' in this thread and others) your desperate effort to find something to score you some points, but anyone who takes the time to read what has been written in this thread and others would easily be able to see through your post.

 

Back to the substance of the thread now. No, you are wrong. The European Union, even in its infancy was designed with political union as its ultimate goal. It is in its founding declarations, treaties, agreements, agendas etc (most notably the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (1958), the Treaty on European Union (1992) aka Maastricht Treaty, and the agenda known as Europe 1992). Of course after this we have the treaty Lisbon which reaffirmed the commitment of the European nations to go ahead with the original plans. You most probably are confusing the European Union with legal entities and treaties such as the European Communities, European Free Trade Association, the European Economic Community and the European Economic Area; entities that are either part of the European Union's basic pillars (in the case of the European Economic Community which later was renamed European Economic Area and part of it is still alive in the case of Norway, Switzerland etc), or are part of expired treaties and agreements (such as the European Coal and Steel Community [ECSC], and the European Atomic Energy Community [EAEC or Euratom]).

 

This is where people's ignorance about the facts becomes a political toy in opportunistic hands, and is used for goals that are far from noble. Populists like farce and his 'party' use this lack of knowledge of the facts amongst part of the population in order to manipulate them into empowering 'parties' like this with their vote. They pray on people's -justified, in my opinion- discontent with the establishment by shouting loudly what the populous wants to hear, whilst keeping their agenda closed to scrutiny. I keep asking what farce's stance on the NHS, Education, the Economy etc is, but in vain, none of you know or care to say. Thanks to some leaked videos on-line though, the true face of this monstrosity of a 'party' are shown. There are weeks that we get daily evidence what 'distinguished' individuals in farce's 'party' think about the NHS; non white people, women, homosexuals (anyone who is not white, middle class, male, middle aged and fat, really); the economy, education and everything else that each citizen should care about (well, he is referring to 'subjects' after all, not citizens) but farce's propaganda machine has the answer ready. Shout a bit louder about immigrants, the pressures they bring to the NHS, the welfare state and you will soon divert the attention of the masses. Clearly it works with some, thankfully the vast majority of the population knows better.

 

Who cares that there are places where three generations of people who have not worked a day in their life and are rather content in their council home with their 5 kids (from different partners) smoking pot sitting in front of their 40'' plasma TV watching big brother whilst petting their pit bull with their tattooed forearm that reads 'come on England' in black ink over David Beckham's impeccable head. Nobody cares these people are using up funds that should be diverted to those who need them dearly, and would do anything to be able to work, but cannot as they are disabled, care for a family member or God knows what else genuinely prevents them from earning a living. Who has the guts to actually do something about all that? It is easier to paint all those on welfare in the same stroke and say they are all scroungers, it is far easier to blame the seasonal worker who comes over from Poland, Bulgaria etc to pick the strawberries and clean the toilets the proud British chavs think is below them to do? Labour cultivated this as an easy way to earn the support of the masses, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats pretend they want to do something about it but fail miserably to make any changes worthy of any results.

 

Who cares if the NHS is carved up, and the most profitable (and simple to carry out) bits are given to Cameron's mates, leaving the least profitable, and yet by some diabolical coincidence harder to do and absolutely vital parts with the struggling Trusts?

 

Who gives a damn that many children in primary schools in this country are borderline illiterate? Schools concentrate on achieving results in A levels, and produce youth that memorize, rather than learn and think? With so many students achieving A* in their exams, this country should be a MENSA hotbed.

 

Who cares that London concentrates all the -fake- wealth, and almost all the investment in infrastructure is there? Who cares if the English north East, the North West, Scotland and Wales are left behind?

 

Who actually cares enough to do something about the fact that banks and their 'golden boys' are not only bailed out from a bankruptcy they are responsible for bestowing upon all of us, but are also rewarded with huge tax cuts and bonuses because otherwise 'the best will go out of Britain'...

 

 

No, our biggest problem is the bloody foreigners, who come here and take our jobs, clog our NHS, take our social housing, and corrupt our language and culture.

 

It is more complicated than farce wants you to believe, I do hope that you will see it some time soon...

 

 

 

Now I am a socialist. Well, I have heard it all. If I am not following farce's 'party' like a sheep and refuse to question whatever drivel comes out of this man's mouth I must be a leftie, don't I?

 

A few points on your grammar and punctuation

 

I insist,[1] your point was mundane,[2] and not salient at all. I commented on this person's language on the post as he specifically attributed the demise of British culture and language to non British people. My point was that, unless it was a non b[3]ritish teacher who was responsible for his appalling disregard for even the most basic rules of the English language, his ''[4]we the British''[5] statement was -[6]in a bizarre way-[7] both hilarious and absurd. You -[8]correctly-[9] pointed out the erroneous use of one word amongst my post. A mundane observation, as my mistake was neither substantial (I wrote dictation rather than diction, both words with the same root, used to describe very similar -[10]albeit not identical-[11] things), nor integral to the validity of my point. On top of that, I did not ascribe my failing to anyone but myself. I understand (given the profound lack of arguments coming both from yourself and other followers of f[12]arce's 'party' in this thread and others) your desperate effort to find something to score you some points, but anyone who takes the time to read what has been written in this thread and others would easily be able to see through your post.

 

Back to the substance of the thread now. No, you are wrong. The European Union, even in its infancy was designed with political union as its ultimate goal. It is in its founding declarations, treaties, agreements, agendas etc (most notably the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (1958), the Treaty on European Union (1992) aka Maastricht Treaty, and the agenda known as Europe 1992). Of course after this we have the treaty Lisbon which reaffirmed the commitment of the European nations to go ahead with the original plans. You most probably are confusing the European Union with legal entities and treaties such as the European Communities, European Free Trade Association, the European Economic Community and the European Economic Area; entities that are either part of the European Union's basic pillars (in the case of the European Economic Community which later was renamed European Economic Area and part of it is still alive in the case of Norway, Switzerland etc), or are part of expired treaties and agreements (such as the European Coal and Steel Community [ECSC], and the European Atomic Energy Community [EAEC or Euratom]).

 

This is where people's ignorance about the facts becomes a political toy in opportunistic hands, and is used for goals that are far from noble. Populists like f[13]arce and his 'party' use this lack of knowledge of the facts amongst part of the population in order to manipulate them into empowering 'parties' like this with their vote. They pray on people's -[14]justified, in my opinion-[15] discontent with the establishment by shouting loudly what the populous wants to hear, whilst keeping their agenda closed to scrutiny. I keep asking what f[16]arce's stance on the NHS, Education, the Economy etc is, but in vain, none of you know or care to say. Thanks to some leaked videos on-line though, the true face of this monstrosity of a 'party' are shown. There are weeks that we get daily evidence what 'distinguished' individuals in f[17]arce's 'party' think about the NHS; non white people, women, homosexuals (anyone who is not white, middle class, male, middle aged and fat, really);[18] the economy, education and everything else that each citizen should care about (well, he is referring to 'subjects' after all, not citizens) but f[19]arce's propaganda machine has the answer ready. Shout a bit louder about immigrants, the pressures they bring to the NHS, the welfare state and you will soon divert the attention of the masses. Clearly it works with some,[20] thankfully the vast majority of the population knows better.

 

Who cares that there are places where three generations of people who have not worked a day in their life and are rather content in their council home with their 5 kids (from different partners) smoking pot sitting in front of their 40'' plasma TV watching big brother whilst petting their pit bull with their tattooed forearm that reads 'come on England' in black ink over David Beckham's impeccable head.[21] Nobody cares these people are using up funds that should be diverted to those who need them dearly, and would do anything to be able to work, but cannot as they are disabled, care for a family member or God knows what else genuinely prevents them from earning a living. Who has the guts to actually do something about all that? It is easier to paint all those on welfare in the same stroke and say they are all scroungers,[22] it is far easier to blame the seasonal worker who comes over from Poland, Bulgaria etc to pick the strawberries and clean the toilets the proud British chavs think is below them to do?[23] Labour cultivated this as an easy way to earn the support of the masses, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats pretend they want to do something about it but fail miserably to make any changes worthy of any results.

 

Who cares if the NHS is carved up, and the most profitable (and simple to carry out) bits are given to Cameron's mates,[24] leaving the least profitable, and yet by some diabolical coincidence harder to do and absolutely vital parts with the struggling Trusts?[25]

 

Who gives a damn that many children in primary schools in this country are borderline illiterate? Schools concentrate on achieving results in A levels, and produce youth that memoriz[26]e, rather than learn and think? With so many students achieving A* in their exams, this country should be a MENSA hotbed.

 

Who cares that London concentrates all the -[27]fake-[28] wealth, and almost all the investment in infrastructure is there?[29] Who cares if the English n[30]orth East, the North West, Scotland and Wales are left behind?

 

Who actually cares enough to do something about the fact that banks and their 'golden boys' are not only bailed out from a bankruptcy they are responsible for bestowing upon all of us, but are also rewarded with huge tax cuts and bonuses because otherwise 'the best will go out of Britain'...[31]

 

 

No, our biggest problem is the bloody foreigners, who come here and take our jobs, clog our NHS, take our social housing, and corrupt our language and culture.

 

It is more complicated than f[32]arce wants you to believe, I do hope that you will see it some time[33] soon...

 

 

Yellow Bear, on 30 Nov 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

No - typical socialist - equality for all as long as I am more equal

 

Now I am a socialist. Well, I have heard it all. If I am not following farce's 'party' like a sheep and refuse to question whatever drivel comes out of this man's mouth I must be a leftie, don't I?

[1] Unnecessary use of comma

[2] Unnecessary use of comma

[3] Lack of capitalisation

[4] Quotation should use single speech marks

[5] Quotation should use single speech marks

[6] Open bracket

[7] Close bracket

[8] Open bracket

[9] Close bracket

[10] Should be comma

[11] No punctuation necessary

[12] Names should be capitalised

[13] Names should be capitalised

[14] Open bracket

[15] Close bracket

[16] Names should be capitalised

[17] Names should be capitalised

[18] This is a continuation of the sentence before the brackets. He should use a comma not a semi-colon

[19] Names should be capitalised

[20] This should be the end of a sentence or a semi-colon.

[21] This began as a question (note the use of ‘Who’ as the sentence beginning) yet culminates in a rant without a question ever being posed or the inclusion of a question mark

[22] This should be a question mark

[23] This is a statement not a question

[24] This should be a question mark

[25] This should be a full stop

[26] When arguing about British politics and culture one would think that one would avoid the use of Americanisms. The correct spelling is ‘memorise’

[27] Single speech marks should be used

[28] Single speech marks should be used

[29] This question doesn’t make sense. It’s almost as though two questions have been blended into one. The use of ‘is there’ is confused.

[30] Should be capitalised

[31] This should have a question mark

[32] Names should be capitalised

[33] Sometime is one word

Edited December 1, 2014 by welsh1

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Grammar is spelt incorrectly at the top of your riposte welsh 1

[welsh1]

Oh the shame, all fixed

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Good man!

[Psyxologos]

I like the fact you corrected my deliberate use of 'farce' and your only problem is the fact I did not capitalise. Priceless! As far as the rest of your 'corrections' are concerned, there are a number of these to which I object to. You also repeat most of them so you rack up their number. Cheap shot, indicative of the kind of counter arguments some of farce's 'party' supporters can muster, nevertheless. Perhaps we should start another topic discussing grammar, punctuation and diction.

 

What about the fact that my post exposes the ignorance some (maybe most) of farce's party' followers have when it comes to what the treaties they so readily criticise actually contain? I have a feeling that the first time some people came across any reference to these was reading my post.

Edited December 2, 2014 by Psyxologos

[Munzy]

...as mentioned, UKIP is indeed a party (you may have noticed they now have two elected MPs) so no need for quotation marks.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

I think it may be time for a word count as we have a couple of members writing books as posts!

[welsh1]

I like the fact you corrected my deliberate use of 'farce' and your only problem is the fact I did not capitalise. Priceless! As far as the rest of your 'corrections' are concerned, there are a number of these to which I object to. You also repeat most of them so you rack up their number. Cheap shot, indicative of the kind of counter arguments some of farce's 'party' supporters can muster, nevertheless. Perhaps we should start another topic discussing grammar, punctuation and diction.

 

What about the fact that my post exposes the ignorance some (maybe most) of farce's party' followers have when it comes to what the treaties they so readily criticise actually contain? I have a feeling that the first time some people came across any reference to these was reading my post.

I will let you into a little secret.

I sent your post to a person and asked him to look at it and make any corrections that were needed,I did not tell him why or who you were.

That person was my Son,he is one of those students you allude to in one of your sentances where you state that kids are just fed information to pass tests rather than think and learn.

My son was a straight A student,in fact he was the smartest kid in his school( statistics prove this )he is now in the third year of his degree in creative writing,and on line (all things being well) for a 1st.

 

So I corrected nothing,you were corrected by a 20 year old who had no argument with you and did not know who you were.

I will stop being the grammar police now,but hope you have seen that when you pick on someone and resort to nit picking about how they spell and write you leave yourself open to the same.There are people on this forum who do not post for fear of the grammar police and that is a shame,not everyone excels at writing and punctuation,but as long as their post makes sense they should be free to comment without people picking on them.

 

And if you want to start a new topic on spelling, grammar and punctuation feel free.Also feel free to pick up all the mistakes I have made in this post,there are many.

Edited December 2, 2014 by welsh1

[islandgun]

I will let you into a little secret.

I sent your post to a person and asked him to look at it and make any corrections that were needed,I did not tell him why or who you were.

That person was my Son,he is one of those students you allude to in one of your sentances where you state that kids are just fed information to pass tests rather than think and learn.

My son was a straight A student,in fact he was the smartest kid in his school( statistics prove this )he is now in the third year of his degree in creative writing,and on line (all things being well) for a 1st.

 

So I corrected nothing,you were corrected by a 20 year old who had no argument with you and did not know who you were.

I will stop being the grammar police now,but hope you have seen that when you pick on someone and resort to nit picking about how they spell and write you leave yourself open to the same.There are people on this forum who do not post for fear of the grammar police and that is a shame,not everyone excels at writing and punctuation,but as long as their post makes sense they should be free to comment without people picking on them.

 

And if you want to start a new topic on spelling, grammar and punctuation feel free.Also feel free to pick up all the mistakes I have made in this post,there are many.

well put , I also have problems with older people belittling young people usually saying oh well school was harder in my day, the simple fact is kids know more now , they have a vast store of information that I would never have dreamt of. As far as people not posting for the fear of looking stupid, it does appear to be the case, you see 400 members online but only the same 20 who actually post, i would like to hear from a more diverse post.

[deadeye18]

OUT!

[poontang]

OUT!

 

Of the closet?

[deadeye18]

Of the closet?

 

yes yours,while your at work :-)

[poontang]

yes yours,while your at work :-)

 

Day off today...nice try though.

[deadeye18]

Day off today...nice try though.

get kettle on youth ill be down in a minute.

[islandgun]

OUT!

I was wondering as well , I thought it might mean "i dont usually say owt so will say it now" or as poontang said, out in the closet kind of way, or yes out of europe , or that post (mine) should be removed, ??

[islandgun]

well der I am slow just read opening title cracker

[smudgertoo]

I will let you into a little secret.

I sent your post to a person and asked him to look at it and make any corrections that were needed,I did not tell him why or who you were.

That person was my Son,he is one of those students you allude to in one of your sentances where you state that kids are just fed information to pass tests rather than think and learn.

My son was a straight A student,in fact he was the smartest kid in his school( statistics prove this )he is now in the third year of his degree in creative writing,and on line (all things being well) for a 1st.

 

So I corrected nothing,you were corrected by a 20 year old who had no argument with you and did not know who you were.

I will stop being the grammar police now,but hope you have seen that when you pick on someone and resort to nit picking about how they spell and write you leave yourself open to the same.There are people on this forum who do not post for fear of the grammar police and that is a shame,not everyone excels at writing and punctuation,but as long as their post makes sense they should be free to comment without people picking on them.

 

And if you want to start a new topic on spelling, grammar and punctuation feel free.Also feel free to pick up all the mistakes I have made in this post,there are many.

 

 

Very well put

[Psyxologos]

I will let you into a little secret.

I sent your post to a person and asked him to look at it and make any corrections that were needed,I did not tell him why or who you were.

That person was my Son,he is one of those students you allude to in one of your sentances where you state that kids are just fed information to pass tests rather than think and learn.

My son was a straight A student,in fact he was the smartest kid in his school( statistics prove this )he is now in the third year of his degree in creative writing,and on line (all things being well) for a 1st.

 

So I corrected nothing,you were corrected by a 20 year old who had no argument with you and did not know who you were.

I will stop being the grammar police now,but hope you have seen that when you pick on someone and resort to nit picking about how they spell and write you leave yourself open to the same.There are people on this forum who do not post for fear of the grammar police and that is a shame,not everyone excels at writing and punctuation,but as long as their post makes sense they should be free to comment without people picking on them.

 

And if you want to start a new topic on spelling, grammar and punctuation feel free.Also feel free to pick up all the mistakes I have made in this post,there are many.

 

If you were to read my post again, you will see that I did not refer to all kids in all schools, but expressed my objection to a system that is forcing schools to concentrate on producing results, at all costs. I am not the only one who is concerned, it is a huge discussion that from time to time surfaces. You should be proud your son is not amongst those students. His success as you reported would most probably be a combination of a supporting family, personal abilities, perseverance and a good school. Unfortunately for the majority of pupils/students this is not the case, at least not in all these aspects found together. Forget about the results and the statistics at school, they mean nothing unless supported by actions later in people's lives. Most people I know who were top of their school did not do as well in Academia as people lower down. I was one of these 'late bloomers' as they call them On the other hand, some of the most influential, genuine and educated people I have ever come across have not got a degree qualification to their name. Some of the most pretentious, boring and plain stupid people I know have Doctorates, Mphils a DClins. Believe me, I deal with them daily. It is not the time or place to talk about qualifications here, but as far as I am concerned, none of my degrees (and they are quite a few) counts as much to me as the pride I take in the fact that I take nothing for granted and always want to find things out myself rather than accept and follow what I am told. This is what enrages me with most people's way of dealing with politics. Either they follow a party blindly all their life, or they 'rebel' and join the 'flavour of the month' bandwagon, most often without examining what the party represents and stands for. They may infer things, but induction is a huge mistake. It has been disproved in science and ridiculed in philosophy.

 

 

You and I have several times debated on topics like that, and I do not think you can ever complain about the way I went about this debate. I never resort to personal insults (you have done, in a couple of occasions, but I am sure this was at the heat of the moment and you did not mean to) and always try to make a point in my replies. This is precisely what I was doing when I pointed out the absurdity of the other gentleman's post with the 'we the British' statement. You took this the wrong way and saw it as a personal attack. There really is nothing I can do about it, but repeat to you what I have written before. Once again, I would like to remind you that the one and only time I have ever commented on someone's post with regards to grammar, punctuation or diction was on the post you refer to, and I did it for very specific reasons, which I explained rather clearly. The gentleman writing was rather upset with non British people 'ruining the culture and language' of these isles, and expressed his concerns in a rather untidy manner. In other words, his statement was rather comical and to say the least absurd. Unless of course there was a non native speaker who, as his teacher, failed miserably in his job at teaching him the English language.

 

Best of luck in your son's effort for a 1st.

Edited December 2, 2014 by Psyxologos