SNAKEBITE Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Just a question for the "legal beagles" on here............... In a nutshell the sister-in-law bought an "S" reg Nissan Almera from a dealer (Opposite your work AXE!) last week. She got it home and saw that the passenger lap belt in the back had the cliky bit with the red button (dead technical eh!) chewed apart by a dog. I thought it was sold with "new mot" on the window board but she cannot remember. Anyway along with the front seatbelt that has been damaged by a fag burn it is going to cost her over £200 to get fixed. Should the car have been sold in this condition? I don't really want to get involved but don't want to see her get ripped off as she will do nothing about it if not nudged in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 In a nutshell Snakebite, she definitely should not have bought a car from 'over the road'! He is nothing other than a complete rip off merchant. I know this doesnt help though but if you can take the car back and get your money back you would be better off. But to answer your question it would depend on the conditions of the sale. If the car was sold as having a new MOT then the best you could hope for is to have the MOT Station Inspected for not having performed an MOT correctly, or having the parts replaced. You can be sure it was done 'next door' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 As far as i am aware as these things fall into Safety equiptment that is REQUIRED by law then really the garage should replace these components as in their current state they MAY be incapable of correct operation. The sale of Non merchantable goods should fit the bill here LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 The first thing to do, before the "legal" advice rolls in, is to take it back to the Dealer and get their comments. If she is not married, get her father, or yourself, to go with her. All you want to do is get their reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Call your local trading standards office. Its an offence to sell an unroadworthy vehicle although often trading standards will only take action against dealers not private sales. You'll need to see if they deem defective belts as making the car unroadworthy. Good luck, you're probably onto a winner with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Thanks for the advice. AXE, I wouldn't have gone there in a million years myself! The bloke who does the MOT's is a family friend and as such (believe it or not!) is the only person who I trust to MOT my car, the sales bloke is a slimey ****e hawk. CRANFIELD, Her dad went with her to look at the car as her husband, well "chocolate tea pot " springs to mind. The thing was she put a deposit down on it a week ago and wasn't able to pick it up until Friday. It was meant to have been serviced but wasn't so it is going back this week to have that done as well. The belt clip was tucked out of sight under the seat, well wedged out of sight actually so it wasn't until she was fixing the two car seats in the back that she noticed it. As for the MOT well that is arguable as I thought it had "new MOT" on the sign. It runs out in July so it isn't that new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I hope you get it sorted JV is not known to back down, i'm afraid. Thats why the garage has been turned over a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 unfortunatly lots of things in an mot are only covered for the day that it is issued mot is a farse and never buy a car on the face of an mot you could take a car with only one wheel stud per wheel and it would pass!! i hear you laughing but its true, just put a wheel trim over them and they wont notice as a mot person cannot dismantal your car to check always take someone who knows what they are looking at even if you have to bug then 50 quid as it will be money well spent imo ps s b go to youre scrapy and get the seat belt parts second hand and fit them your self its easy wishing you lluck give the dodgy dealer hell cheers kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Whatever you do react immedately, as if you wait then he will just apportion the blame nicely onto you. I will eagerly await mungler's response then if no response comes I will dig out the books for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Thats why the garage has been turned over a few times. .......... and with an attitude like his I am sure it will happen again in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THAIBOXER Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Just a question for the "legal beagles" on here............... In a nutshell the sister-in-law bought an "S" reg Nissan Almera from a dealer (Opposite your work AXE!) last week. She got it home and saw that the passenger lap belt in the back had the cliky bit with the red button (dead technical eh!) chewed apart by a dog. I thought it was sold with "new mot" on the window board but she cannot remember. Anyway along with the front seatbelt that has been damaged by a fag burn it is going to cost her over £200 to get fixed. Should the car have been sold in this condition? I don't really want to get involved but don't want to see her get ripped off as she will do nothing about it if not nudged in the right direction. just because the plastic is dog chewed it wont fail a mot its cosmetic. go down the scrappy and but some secondhand ones. look closer next time! when removing second hand inertia reels,put in the safety platic red clip on cylinder on seat if reqd. pull belt 95% out and tie a knot in it,so it doesnt reel all the way in when you remove fixing bolts,as you'll struggle to unwind it again. its pretty easy probley £15 each side fronts,£15 set rears. cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Snakebite, if the seat belt still operates in the fashion it is supposed to the tester cannot fail it for the MOT. It is surprisingly easy to pass a MOT and I could tell you of many bits of scrap that have passed the minimum requirement that VOSA have set the limits at. Go round yourself and persuade the dealer that he wants to supply a new belt to your sisters ride that will save his business from a big insurance claim, you do understand me don't you It works 9/10 times. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Women eh! Should stick to buying handbags and shoes Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 A "fag end burn" through the seat belt IS a Fail the same as a Frayed belt as it impairs the strength of the belt and NO self respecting MOT tester would pass it! Unfortunatley all the guy has to say is (it was checked over before the purchaser took the car and it was all fine) then the ball lies squarely in YOUR court Scrapyard sound a cheaper bet and seat belts are a doddle to replace. Worst part is sometimes having to remove interior panels to feed the belt through :blink: LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Thanks for all the advice. But can I just add that I was not there when she bought the car, all I did was have a look at it on the forecourt on a dark night AFTER she had put a deposit down. I didn't want to get involved at all really. However she takes my wife to work in the evening and if she doesn't have a car then it is left to me to take them both to work and wait around till they finish, so a little bit of effort now saves hours of ******* around later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Women eh! Should stick to buying handbags and shoes :o Jonno ahem. you cruisin fer a bruisin jonno? and anyway, we leave the handbag buying to LG :blink: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Nothing wrong with my handbag It's the Lipstick that clashes that's the problem :blink: LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 :blink: :blink: :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Just a question for the "legal beagles" on here............... In a nutshell the sister-in-law bought an "S" reg Nissan Almera from a dealer (Opposite your work AXE!) last week. She got it home and saw that the passenger lap belt in the back had the cliky bit with the red button (dead technical eh!) chewed apart by a dog. I thought it was sold with "new mot" on the window board but she cannot remember. Anyway along with the front seatbelt that has been damaged by a fag burn it is going to cost her over £200 to get fixed. Should the car have been sold in this condition? I don't really want to get involved but don't want to see her get ripped off as she will do nothing about it if not nudged in the right direction. Private sales in England are generally considered; Caveat emptor - The buyer be ware! However, car sales made by a 'Trader' are more stringent and you should expect the vehicle to be roadworthy. Contact your local Trading Standards Office for advise and once you know whats, what, return to the dealer and ask him to rectify the seat belt. If he sees that you've already taken advise from your TSO, he'll unless likely to flob you off. The fag burn 'though, may be more difficult. If the burn was in plane veiw and no attempt had been made to hide it, the responsibility will most likely rest with the buyer. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Women eh! Should stick to buying handbags and shoes Jonno ahem. you cruisin fer a bruisin jonno? and anyway, we leave the handbag buying to LG :o :blink: :blink: Oh eye. I forgot LG bought an handbag for his carts Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Well it has all worked itself out in the end, and in a positive way. I went round and broke his legs. Only joking! Basically the sister in law was speaking to the wife of the MOT tester who works along side the car sales. The car came up in conversation and the sister in law mentioned the problems. The wife goes home and tells her husband who then goes and has a go at the sales bloke. Still with me? Anyway the sales bloke is now fixing the belts and putting a new MOT on the car. It turns out that he didn't put the MOT on the car before because he knew it would fail on the belts. Upshot is new car all dealt with and I don't have to drive them to work. Result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Well done M8 got there in the end then :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Sometimes you can catch more flies with honey, than vinegar. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Well Cranfield, I think it got a little vinegary for a moment or two from what I hear. But at the end of the day it was job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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