BangBangNik Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have just applied for the grant of a fac and as my shotgun cert runs out in October 2016, thought for the extra £10 I would renew that at the same time. This morning I received this email from the licenseing dept- "I note that you have indicated that you wish to renew your shotgun certificate at the same time so that both certificates run coterminously. Unfortunately, as your shotgun certificate does not expire until October 2016, we are unable to renew it so far in advance (apologies as I was not aware of this at the time of our previous correspondence). When you renew your shotgun certificate in 2016 we will then be able to renew it to expire at the same time as your firearm certificate, allowing you to benefit from the reduced renewal rate at future renewals." So if I read this correctly, when I come to renew next year I will have the pleasure of only getting 3years of certificate for my money!!!! Has anybody else had this experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 no my sgc was only 2 years old when i got my fac ,and i went co terminus on the feo,s advice as it would save me dollars long term.what a load of carp.are u in BASC or similar give em a ring .if u do the 2 together it minimums all the admin,and you save money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 my sgc was only bout 4/5 months old when i went coterminus, no issues here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have just applied for the grant of a fac and as my shotgun cert runs out in October 2016, thought for the extra £10 I would renew that at the same time. This morning I received this email from the licenseing dept- "I note that you have indicated that you wish to renew your shotgun certificate at the same time so that both certificates run coterminously. Unfortunately, as your shotgun certificate does not expire until October 2016, we are unable to renew it so far in advance (apologies as I was not aware of this at the time of our previous correspondence). When you renew your shotgun certificate in 2016 we will then be able to renew it to expire at the same time as your firearm certificate, allowing you to benefit from the reduced renewal rate at future renewals." So if I read this correctly, when I come to renew next year I will have the pleasure of only getting 3years of certificate for my money!!!! Has anybody else had this experience? Its the way it works, the coterminous always runs with the FAC dates, so, if you have FAC and SGC and want to go coterminous, you will almost always lose some time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I had only renewed my SGC for 6 months when I applied for my FAC. I was talked into going coterminous by my FEO, and did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 As everybody else has said, you will probably lose some time with the first coterminous application, but from the renewal onwards you'll be back on track for the 5 year period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangBangNik Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Seems to be a case of different standards for different forces yet again. The pessimist in me can't help but think it's all about the £££'s but I dont really want to rock the boat and end up with my application going to the bottom of the pile. Just going to have to suck it up and go along with them I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 As everybody else has said, you will probably lose some time with the first coterminous application, but from the renewal onwards you'll be back on track for the 5 year period. And save money every renewal time. £40 each for FAC /Shotgun renewal. £50 for coterminous, so a saving of £30. This my 2nd (or maybe 3rd) coterminous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca72 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I applied for my fac last June and my sgc had 3yrs left on it. I Done a coterminous application all done and dusted in a month no problems. We're quick here in Norfolk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Seems to be a case of different standards for different forces yet again. The pessimist in me can't help but think it's all about the £££'s but I dont really want to rock the boat and end up with my application going to the bottom of the pile. Just going to have to suck it up and go along with them I guess. What makes you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangBangNik Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 What makes you say that? Reading the comments, some people seem to say they have done the same as I am trying to do with no problems, sometimes on the advice of f.e.o. And others saying that's just the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 My feo advised that I did the same many years back when I was granted my fac. No mention my sgc had a few years to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 my sgc was only bout 4/5 months old when i went coterminus, no issues here +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Suffolk was same with me,sgc running out so applied to have both done at same time so fac and sgc run together,sent fee back saying apply when fac runs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Reading the comments, some people seem to say they have done the same as I am trying to do with no problems, sometimes on the advice of f.e.o. And others saying that's just the way it is. I'm not following, what do you mean with no problems? If you have separate FAC and SGC and want to go coterminous then the date works from the FAC date, so it is almost certain you will lose some time on the SGC. In principle, you can only go coterminous when your FAC needs renewing or is granted, or on initial grant of both at the same time. If the SGC ends a short (ish) time before the FAC then it is not unheard of for the region to issue a temporary SGC to cover the gap before the coterminous starts. There are no problems in essence getting a coterminous for anyone, but most will have to face the fact they are going to lose some time/money initially, but this will pay back handsomely over the years under the current system! Edited January 23, 2015 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simjakcal Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) I have just applied for the grant of a fac and as my shotgun cert runs out in October 2016, thought for the extra £10 I would renew that at the same time. This morning I received this email from the licenseing dept- "I note that you have indicated that you wish to renew your shotgun certificate at the same time so that both certificates run coterminously. Unfortunately, as your shotgun certificate does not expire until October 2016, we are unable to renew it so far in advance (apologies as I was not aware of this at the time of our previous correspondence). When you renew your shotgun certificate in 2016 we will then be able to renew it to expire at the same time as your firearm certificate, allowing you to benefit from the reduced renewal rate at future renewals." So if I read this correctly, when I come to renew next year I will have the pleasure of only getting 3years of certificate for my money!!!! Has anybody else had this experience? This is your first grant of a fac yes ? it sounds like they carnt be bothered with the paper work. they should cancel your current sgc and issue you with a new fac/sgc running coterminously from the cancellation date of your current sgc. I lost 2yrs on my sgc last year when I applied for my fac...it shouldn't matter how long is left on your sgc,,that's your loss not theirs ! Edited January 23, 2015 by simjakcal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangBangNik Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm not following, what do you mean with no problems? If you have separate FAC and SGC and want to go coterminous then the date works from the FAC date, so it is almost certain you will lose some time on the SGC. In principle, you can only go coterminous when your FAC needs renewing or is granted, or on initial grant of both at the same time. If the SGC ends a short (ish) time before the FAC then it is not unheard of for the region to issue a temporary SGC to cover the gap before the coterminous starts. There are no problems in essence getting a coterminous for anyone, but most will have to face the fact they are going to lose some time/money initially, but this will pay back handsomely over the years under the current system! I think we may have got our wires crossed. This application is for the grant of my first FAC. I already hold a shotgun cert that has about 20months left to run. I wanted to renew my SGC at the same time as the FAC grant for ease any to save money upon renewal. I understand that I will be losing the 20 months remaining on the SGC but effictivley I would be gaining an extra 3 years for £10. Lancashire are saying it is not possible to renew my SGC while it still has time left on it but they will make it coterminous when it runs out so I will be paying full price for a 3year cert. Why is there an option on the current price list for the "grant of FAC and renewal of SGC in order to make coterminous" if it's not possible. As some have said, they have had 4+ years for their cert to run when they renewed it to make coterminous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangBangNik Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 This is your first grant of a fac yes ? it sounds like they carnt be bothered with the paper work. they should cancel your current sgc and issue you with a new fac/sgc running coterminously from the cancellation date of your current sgc. I lost 2yrs on my sgc last year when I applied for my fac...it shouldn't matter how long is left on your sgc,,that's your loss not theirs ! This is how I feel about the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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