Fisherman Mike Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I would suggest this driver does the Lottery this weekend. ! https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dozens-trapped-plane-crashes-river-041910003.html?vp=1#2VSDAe0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie092 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Terrible Eh? Imagine being on that knowing it was going down. When I first saw it this morning I thought it was a clip from an action movie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 It's Final Destination-style timing. I don't enjoy flying and that didn't change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Nor me... I remember when I was at school we had a school trip to see the newly commissioned Jumbo at Heathrow. There was a Q&A session afterwards and I asked a chap how it manages to get off the ground.... I will never forget his answer... " Beats me sonny and I designed it" The Sister in law was on a flight to Joberg only a week ago and she was terrified when the airbus she was in hit turbulence over the Pyranees...The plain dropped 800 feet in a few seconds and at one time was being buffeted about like a pink pong ball in the lottery draw machine. She said at one stage the wing tips were almost vertical and people in adjacent seats were praying.. I don't like to fly much these days...when I was younger and braver perhaps... Edited February 4, 2015 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samboy Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I recently put a thread on another forum saying i will never get on a plane again. I got very mixed answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 That's some angle on that plane. Defo sitting at the back from now one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 There is only one good seat on a plane. Forward facing, left of the aisle with a window in front. Occupied it for the best part of 42 years. Still the safest way to travel. The God's only know what went wrong with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Edwards Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Landing at Leeds-Bradford a few weeks ago in the wind was bad. For some reason the cabin lights went off for a few seconds and everyone started screaming. How they managed the landing was beyond me. And when you saw the pilots, they only looked about 30 and 25 respectively. Credit to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx10mike Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 i suspect that pilot was fighting for lives till the end.coincidence all the tower blocks around and it ended slaming fast into a river?the pilot is a hero .can't believe people walked away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 There is only one good seat on a plane. Forward facing, left of the aisle with a window in front. Occupied it for the best part of 42 years. Still the safest way to travel. The God's only know what went wrong with this one. I think he was trying to avoid the buildings and the plane departed ! You can see that he has full right aileron applied but is still rolling left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Landing at Leeds-Bradford a few weeks ago in the wind was bad. For some reason the cabin lights went off for a few seconds and everyone started screaming. How they managed the landing was beyond me. And when you saw the pilots, they only looked about 30 and 25 respectively. Credit to them. LBA is notorious for the turbulence on the approach - caused, of course, by the terrain. I always thought that airfield was built half way up a hill with the runway pointing at the top of the hill. I have had my moments there... I think he was trying to avoid the buildings and the plane departed ! You can see that he has full right aileron applied but is still rolling left That no pilot will deliberately fly into a building used to be taken for granted...in most cases it still is. The aileron position could indicate engine failure of left engine and insufficient speed (below V2 as it is known). If you reduce below the minimum single engine control speed then you cannot control the roll of the aircraft towards the failed engine). I have not studied the video in detail myself. I did fly the ATR72 for a couple of years - a good ship in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) That no pilot will deliberately fly into a building used to be taken for granted...in most cases it still is. this is a clearer video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqnG9AZHp58 In the first few seconds he seems to be sinking rapidly with a nose high attitude ,"stretching the glide" maybe ? The the plane suddenly rolls left . It may be just a trick of the camera but the props don't look like they are turning. reportedly the last call was "“Mayday! Mayday! Engine flameout!” Edited February 6, 2015 by wascal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 LBA is notorious for the turbulence on the approach - caused, of course, by the terrain. I always thought that airfield was built half way up a hill with the runway pointing at the top of the hill. I have had my moments there... That no pilot will deliberately fly into a building used to be taken for granted...in most cases it still is. The aileron position could indicate engine failure of left engine and insufficient speed (below V2 as it is known). If you reduce below the minimum single engine control speed then you cannot control the roll of the aircraft towards the failed engine). I have not studied the video in detail myself. I did fly the ATR72 for a couple of years - a good ship in my opinion. I assume full size flying of a twin engine aircraft (prop job) is the same as flying rc twins in that if you lose an engine the last thing you do is turn towards the failed engine and slow to much, seen lots of good scale aircraft destroyed this way IE turn towards the failed engine and no way can you correct the bank its just like a tip stall, over she goes and down, the vid looked exactly the same to me, but sadly a full size plane with lives involved. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 kdubya - Aerodynamics are aerodynamics. The size and scale will differ but the laws of physics do not. RC models are usually massively more in the power to weight ratio than a full size 'plane. I have looked at the Youtube clip provided by wascal, above, and it does, to me, still look like the port prop is feathered. (Stopped or rotating very slowly). The single engine critical speed is simply the minimum speed you can keep control of the aircraft with one engine failed and the other on full power. If you set it up as an exercise you feather one and full power the other engine and try to fly in a straight line. As you slowly decrease the speed you have to increase the aileron and rudder inputs towards the live engine. At some speed the aircraft will start to roll towards the dead engine because you have run out of aileron and rudder inputs. That is the single engine critical speed. The only thing you can do to retain control is reduce power on the live engine. Don't want to do that close to the ground... To draw anymore conclusions you need to see what happened before the video clip. The black boxes have been recovered so we should know soon - Unless the 'Authorities' decide not to publish the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 News report last night - they apparently discovered the pilots body still in an attitude of fighting the aircraft. So he upheld the best values of all pilots. May they all rest in peace. Lot of airline crahses recently and in the far east - Coincidence or something less regulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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