DeepThought Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Hi I have just taken possession of a brand new Beratta Outlander and have some silly questions about running it in. I have been informed that I need to run a few boxes of 32g loads through it to run it in, the trouble I have is that I don't currently have any land to shoot on and literally none of the clay grounds in my area will let me shoot anything above 28g. Does anyone have any experience running in this gun with slightly lighter loads? Do we think I could achieve the same effect by running some more powerful 28g cartridges through it instead? If so is there any cartridge you'd recommend? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 They say 32g so the spring gets a good workout and loosens up - you could use a 28g but they may not eject for a while. Have a chat with your local clay cub, explain why you need to use a 32g and see what they say.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 i had the same with my A400. ran fine out of the box with a mix of 28 and 32 what ever i had in my bag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 don't worry about it I never bothered to run my outlander in had it 3 years now.never ad any problems,in fact the first carts I used in it were 25 year old reloads never missed a beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mick.j Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Just shoot the 28g it will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Just shoot the 28g it will be fine. +1 Don't understand this. You run in a new file on soft material; a new car by keeping the revs down; yet for some reason one seems to have to stuff in a heavy load to smooth out any manufacturing tolerances on a self loading shotgun. I don't want mine loosened up but to run smooth and tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 worst case scenario, shoot on a rabbit clay stand and pick up your empties...... i used RC sipe to break in the benelli. what a brilliant gun it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepThought Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 +1 Don't understand this. You run in a new file on soft material; a new car by keeping the revs down; yet for some reason one seems to have to stuff in a heavy load to smooth out any manufacturing tolerances on a self loading shotgun. I don't want mine loosened up but to run smooth and tight. I see your point there, I think it's because the action needs a good beating to soften it up, I have read reports of lighter loads failing to cycle when the gun is brand new, all on the American made ones mind you. I'm thinking I'll just split the difference and throw a couple of boxes of 28g high velocity carts through it. Anything with a good amount of gas pressure should presumably do the job shouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 I see your point there, I think it's because the action needs a good beating to soften it up, I have read reports of lighter loads failing to cycle when the gun is brand new, all on the American made ones mind you. I'm thinking I'll just split the difference and throw a couple of boxes of 28g high velocity carts through it. Anything with a good amount of gas pressure should presumably do the job shouldn't it? yep. world cup -esc type shells should do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 It's a Beretta, run anything through it new or old, it won't miss a beat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) I see your point there, I think it's because the action needs a good beating to soften it up, I have read reports of lighter loads failing to cycle when the gun is brand new, all on the American made ones mind you. I'm thinking I'll just split the difference and throw a couple of boxes of 28g high velocity carts through it. Anything with a good amount of gas pressure should presumably do the job shouldn't it? What we're talking about here is an item of relatively cheap mass produced engineering of no particular complexity. It'll have high spots and inevitably some rough edges. Perhaps my engineering knowledge is somewhat dated, but to my mind starting off with the minimum load (which includes a sufficient COL) which cycles satisfactorily will go a long way in ensuring longevity as compared to, in effect, knocking lumps off which then rattle around inside causing even more wear; not to mention the stresses unnecessarily placed upon a new unworked spring. Edit: Missing word added. Edited March 17, 2015 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliver90owner Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 I read with interest: ''I have been informed...'' Is this in writing from the manufacturer or just anecdotal evidence from third parties? Follow the manufacturer's instructions every time is the best advice. The reason for a heavier (effective) recoil or gas volume/pressure is that if the criterion is not met, a jam with a tight mechanism can be more likely. It is the old simple analogy of ''getting over the hump'' to make something happen. One can heat paper to around 300 degrees as many times as you like and if will not burn - only char. Only if the temperature is hot enough will the paper set alight. Same with a gas cooker - the gas mixture needs a hot spark to initiate combustion. Most guns will likely work perfectly on the lighter loads from the start. As an aside, engines (particularly diesels) are better loaded at more than low rpms. 80% is a good target for revs and often a minimum for load. They use a running-in oil for many engines before installing the most slippery lubricants (such as full synthetics). Many tractors have had to be returned to the distributor, for remedial action, due to excessive oil consumption after being 'run in' under too little load. One 'repair' was to feed a certain abrasive powder into the intake airstream. RAB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepThought Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 I read with interest: ''I have been informed...'' Is this in writing from the manufacturer or just anecdotal evidence from third parties? There's a big yellow sticker on the hard case telling me to use heavy loads (interestingly it says 24g but it looks like I've ended up with the sticker from a 20 gauge, which is especially interesting as I don't think you can even get that model in this country). The nice people at Chichester Armoury also reiterated the fact and specified 32g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Just shoot whatever you have and don't worry . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicW Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 I ran my Outlander on 28gm cartridges from new and it never missed a beat. Vic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) For Christ's sake. all its saying is put two boxes... 50 shells of 32 gram. Through it It's not the end of the world and it's certainly not rocket science. You have one of two choices. Follow the manufacturers instructions or don't. However it's oobviously playing on your mind and so if you don't do it your just going sit and wish you did. For what it's worth. I did it with my outlander and it worked.flawlessly. I didn't bother with my A400 and it played up and went back. I didn'do it on my A300 Xtrema but that too works flawless. So as you can see it makes No difference what so ever. My advice to you would be.... If your a novice to the shooting world. Follow the instructions it will make you feel a lot better. If you have a good few years under your belt then You should know better. Edited March 17, 2015 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesP Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 My Outlander, purchased in January, also had that 20 Bore sticker. But the instruction book does tell you to run some 32 gram stuff through it. My local Club is Purbeck Shooting School, bit of a trek from some parts of Hampshire I know, but if you're in the Western bit it's not too far. They allow heavy loads specifically for new autos, and that's where I took mine. They didn't have 32 gram cartridges there, so I put a couple of boxes of 30 grams through it; interestingly they were 67mm. After that it's been fed on 28 gram Armusa with the occasional boxes of 24 gram. I have probably fired nearly 1000 cartridges since I got it - different makes, fibre and plastic, 24 and 28 gram, and it has not had a single failure to extract or to load or to fire. Purbeck allow fibre or plastic, and their cafe does a very good breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepThought Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) For Christ's sake. all its saying is put two boxes... 50 shells of 32 gram. Through it It's not the end of the world and it's certainly not rocket science. You have one of two choices. Follow the manufacturers instructions or don't. However it's oobviously playing on your mind and so if you don't do it your just going sit and wish you did. For what it's worth. I did it with my outlander and it worked.flawlessly. I didn't bother with my A400 and it played up and went back. I didn'do it on my A300 Xtrema but that too works flawless. So as you can see it makes No difference what so ever. My advice to you would be.... If your a novice to the shooting world. Follow the instructions it will make you feel a lot better. If you have a good few years under your belt then You should know better. Bit harsh? I'd be following the instructions to the letter if there were a shooting club within reasonable distance that allowed me to. Edited March 17, 2015 by DeepThought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Bit harsh?No mate I'm not being harsh. Pragmatic yes. The answer to your question is written on a big yellow sticker on your gun case. As you can see by the replys above. Half say yes and the other half say no. This will just go on and on and on And your still be none the wiser. It will make no difference to the performance of the gun whatever you decide to do. But if your unsure then do it buy the book. My response was to your original question about weather you should run in with 32 gram loads. Edited March 17, 2015 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepThought Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) I just wanted to know if a high velocity lighter cartridge would have the same effect, since I can't use 32g on any ground in Hampshire. It doesn't matter, I'll work something out. Edited March 17, 2015 by DeepThought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) I just wanted to know if a high velocity lighter cartridge would have the same effect, since I can't use 32g on any ground in Hampshire. It doesn't matter, I'll work something out. No mate. I promise you it will be fine. go have fun and enjoy your self. And stop thinking about it. If the gun starts messing you about. The running in process will not be the cause of it. Edited March 17, 2015 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 I just wanted to know if a high velocity lighter cartridge would have the same effect, since I can't use 32g on any ground in Hampshire. It doesn't matter, I'll work something out. Nothing to work out mate , just run through it what you have to hand or usually use , it will be fine Enjoy your new gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 calm down stevo what your saying is right just let him get on with it he will sort it in the end did't bother when i bought my al 391 urica just loaded up and started shooting it's all in the mind half the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 DeepThought. sorry mate , I have just been reading it back and yes I was a bit Blunt , I certainly did not intend to be so black and white about it , (its been a long day ) so if I did please accept my apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepThought Posted March 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 DeepThought. sorry mate , I have just been reading it back and yes I was a bit Blunt , I certainly did not intend to be so black and white about it , (its been a long day ) so if I did please accept my apology. We all have them mate, it's all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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