Bullets on ticket

[stuey]

Do any bullets you buy for reloading count towards your ammo allocation on your FAC and do they need to be recorded on your ticket?? There seems to be a mixed response to this depending who you speak to.

 

Cheers

 

Stu

[saddler]

Non-target shooting hollow points & non-target shooting polymer tip, soft point & other such bullets ARE classed the same as loaded ammunition in respect of FAC ammo totals.

[Luckyshot]

Expanding bullets count towards your allowance and they get recorded on your fac in my county. This seems to differ depending on where you live.

[stuey]

Great, thanks. But do they need to be recorded on your FAC the same as buying factory ammo? Or is showing your FAC enough?

[snow white]

they get recorded

[robbiep]

If they are non-expanding (i.e. if they can be posted out to you) : No, they do not need to be recorded on your FAC. They do NOT count as part of your allowable limit until loaded.

 

If they are expanding (Vmax, Varmint, etc) : Yes, they do need to be recorded on your FAC. They DO count to your allowable limit, whether loaded or not.

 

If you are reloading expanding, then let your FEO know, and ask for an additional allowance for expanding bullets, that way you can stock up.

[Bewsher500]

Do any bullets you buy for reloading count towards your ammo allocation on your FAC and do they need to be recorded on your ticket?? There seems to be a mixed response to this depending who you speak to.

 

Cheers

 

Stu

there shouldnt be its pretty ******* clear and was standardised across all forces several years ago

 

bullets -

Sec5 expanding count

target bullets dont count

 

ammo-

it all counts regardless of expanding or not

[seeker]

As Brewsher says ...

Theres something about it in the Firearms Guidance manual 2015 and the link is pinned in the General Section of PW ..

Standardised ... guidance yes, but practises ?

[Bewsher500]

Standardised ... guidance yes, but practises ?

nope the ACPO met back in 2012/13 IIRC and they all agreed countrywide that this was the practice to be adopted

I was told that from a head of firearms office who was there

[stuey]

Thanks for all the advice chaps

[cervusman]

It is not law that expanding bullets are entered on your fac. I had a bet with a mate, and I won, read home office guidance leaflet, you can google it.

[Carman06]

Section 3.23 of the HO guidelines does stipulate that expanding bullets must be entered into the FAC by the issuing RFD.

[seeker]

But read the last sentence of 3.22 before you read 3.23 ....

[robbiep]

But read the last sentence of 3.22 before you read 3.23 ....

You appear to either trying to deliberately muddy the waters, or you just haven't read it.

 

For those that don't want to wade through the legalese :

 

3.22 deals with the prohibition on expanding bullets/ammunition, explaining the fact that this also applies to bullets as well as complete rounds, and then explaining the exemption that is in place for stalkers/pest/vermin controllers, that the permission to hold expanding will be on their certificate, It finishes by saying that :

There is no need for the bullets to be listed separately on the certificate, other than in the circumstances described below (my highlight)

 

The next line is 3.23 (so this IS the 'circumstances below')

 

3.23 then deals with the fact that expanding bullets do count as part of your allowance. It explains that a higher limit may be needed, to allow for the possession of completed rounds and a stock of bullets, and that "the bullets should be listed separately to help avoid unnecessary stockpiling of complete rounds". It finishes by stating that the RFD selling expanding bullets MUST enter the sale onto the FAC and in their register.