oozelumbird Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 After looking at my local shooting ground i thought i would do my bit for the environment and change to felt wad, glad i did!. Who likes looking at piles of plastic wads 40 yds out from DTL and Skeet. Ive been using GameBore 12g Felt Wad Blue Diamond, 28g load. Ive shoot 1000 in the last 12 days and my barrels are still clean and my scores are either 25/75 or very close. I dont understand why some hate felt, there better for the environment and from what i can tell they are cleaner and have a better pattern. I would be interested in anyones thoughts on this subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 A lot say they don't pattern so well. I like to use them at the farm, but I'm not so bothered at the club where they're raked up anyway. Once my supply of cheap plastic wad carts goes belly up and I'm paying shop prices, I'll probably go all fibre. Blue diamonds are good, as are white golds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popgun Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 After looking at my local shooting ground i thought i would do my bit for the environment and change to felt wad, glad i did!. Who likes looking at piles of plastic wads 40 yds out from DTL and Skeet. Ive been using GameBore 12g Felt Wad Blue Diamond, 28g load. Ive shoot 1000 in the last 12 days and my barrels are still clean and my scores are either 25/75 or very close. I dont understand why some hate felt, there better for the environment and from what i can tell they are cleaner and have a better pattern. I would be interested in anyones thoughts on this subject I shoot pigeons and crows on a estate that is felt only, use to shoot plastic only now have to use felt, i think it patterns better i am converted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 The last BASC magazine came out with the stunning conclusion of some tests they did, fibre patterns tighter than plastic. I was amazed! I have to use fibre on the shoot I am in, and at south worcs clay ground. I find they work well, but the best patterns I have ever seen were from some tests we did with Hevi-Shot and they were plastic. Ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 i shoot primarily at a local clay shoot that only allows fibre wads so that's what i get. Regarding patterning i wouldn't know, personally if i don't break a clay the last i'd blame is the wadding. And i always use fibre for pigeon shooting as the biodegradable wad is a must for someone elses land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Next batch i buy im buying felt.. i can use them for out in the field and down the club then as they enforce a fibre wad rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 If we want to increase our public perception and help keep shooting alive we should all really be shooting fibre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popgun Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 If we want to increase our public perception and help keep shooting alive we should all really be shooting fibre Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 If we want to increase our public perception and help keep shooting alive we should all really be shooting fibre Spot on To be fair i doubt joe public knows what the **** a wad is and that they are used, plastic or otherwise, but is more concerned that we are chucking lead everyone. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Markio - absolutely right. I think fibre wads leave more dirt in your barrels. They might look quite clean, but give them a good scrub and far more deposits are left with fibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Regarding patterning i wouldn't know, personally if i don't break a clay the last i'd blame is the wadding. I always use felt wads, as I shoot mainly on farm/grazing land. Over the years there have been many conflicting articles about shot patterns, plastic -v- fibre, etc. I think Markio sums it up very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 I always use a fibre/felt wad for clay shooting and general vermin other than the occasional plastic load fox fox which I then pick the wad up from. Although I have been using Gamebore competition 28g clay loads in fibre up to now and have just changed to Eley CT and the barrels are filthy compared to the Gamebores. I don't normally drop litter so why cause avoidable litter from your cartridges? FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oozelumbird Posted April 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 I think its great that everyone thinks the same on the environment issue with plastic, but sadly your right, the Do Gooders would never grasp the concept of a wad!. I do take back my remark on them being cleaner though, ive just been cleaning my barrels and they are filthy. Small price to pay though for a cleaner shooting ground. There is very little difference in pattern, i would say there better than plastic but i think iam being optimistic that my shooting would ever be affected by pattern, maybe in a few years!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Nobody has mentioned the fact that fibre wad cartridges kick like a mule when compared to the same load with a plastic wad. I recently bought 250 fibre wad Rio 32's. After putting a few of them through a side by side, the rest of them are down for semi-auto fodder. They beat the **** out of your shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oozelumbird Posted April 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Depends very much the brand, the Game Bore Blue Diamond have little to no difference in kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Nobody has mentioned the fact that fibre wad cartridges kick like a mule when compared to the same load with a plastic wad. I recently bought 250 fibre wad Rio 32's. After putting a few of them through a side by side, the rest of them are down for semi-auto fodder. They beat the **** out of your shoulder. I use gamebore super xlr fibre 24g x 8's for clays and they are as soft as you could wish for. If you push heavy loads through your light game gun then they will be harsh on the shoulder. Gough Thomas who used to write in shooting times said that you should aim to have your gun weigh 96 times the weight of shot, i.e. 96 x 1oz = 6lb. I do not think you would want to go lighter, especially if you are going to push a lot of shells through. 32g is 1 1/8 oz or decimally expressed as 1.125oz x 96 = 108 divide by 16 = 6.75lb or 6 3/4 lb. I use fibre 32g x5's through my beretta o/u which weighs just over 7lbs with no problem and I am sensitive to recoil as my neck is in a very poor state. ft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidelock Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Nobody has mentioned the fact that fibre wad cartridges kick like a mule when compared to the same load with a plastic wad. I recently bought 250 fibre wad Rio 32's. After putting a few of them through a side by side, the rest of them are down for semi-auto fodder. They beat the **** out of your shoulder. I use gamebore super xlr fibre 24g x 8's for clays and they are as soft as you could wish for. If you push heavy loads through your light game gun then they will be harsh on the shoulder. Gough Thomas who used to write in shooting times said that you should aim to have your gun weigh 96 times the weight of shot, i.e. 96 x 1oz = 6lb. I do not think you would want to go lighter, especially if you are going to push a lot of shells through. 32g is 1 1/8 oz or decimally expressed as 1.125oz x 96 = 108 divide by 16 = 6.75lb or 6 3/4 lb. I use fibre 32g x5's through my beretta o/u which weighs just over 7lbs with no problem and I am sensitive to recoil as my neck is in a very poor state. ft. I think the point hod.1 is making is that fibre wads produce noticeably more recoil than plastic wads when the same shot weight cartridges are put through the same gun. I also regularly use plastic 32gms with no problem in a side by side, and am aware of GT's 6lbs of gun to 1oz of shot formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Nobody has mentioned the fact that fibre wad cartridges kick like a mule when compared to the same load with a plastic wad. I recently bought 250 fibre wad Rio 32's. After putting a few of them through a side by side, the rest of them are down for semi-auto fodder. They beat the **** out of your shoulder. I have never noticed any difference in recoil between the same load cartridges in fibre, or plastic. It may be something specific to certain Manufacturers. I use mainly Gamebore and they are OK. Being incredibly butch, like what I am, probably helps as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Nobody has mentioned the fact that fibre wad cartridges kick like a mule when compared to the same load with a plastic wad. I recently bought 250 fibre wad Rio 32's. After putting a few of them through a side by side, the rest of them are down for semi-auto fodder. They beat the **** out of your shoulder. I use gamebore super xlr fibre 24g x 8's for clays and they are as soft as you could wish for. If you push heavy loads through your light game gun then they will be harsh on the shoulder. Gough Thomas who used to write in shooting times said that you should aim to have your gun weigh 96 times the weight of shot, i.e. 96 x 1oz = 6lb. I do not think you would want to go lighter, especially if you are going to push a lot of shells through. 32g is 1 1/8 oz or decimally expressed as 1.125oz x 96 = 108 divide by 16 = 6.75lb or 6 3/4 lb. I use fibre 32g x5's through my beretta o/u which weighs just over 7lbs with no problem and I am sensitive to recoil as my neck is in a very poor state. ft. I think the point hod.1 is making is that fibre wads produce noticeably more recoil than plastic wads when the same shot weight cartridges are put through the same gun. I also regularly use plastic 32gms with no problem in a side by side, and am aware of GT's 6lbs of gun to 1oz of shot formula. Depends on how the shell is put together, how fast the powder etc. etc. I have used plastic shells that hurt and ones that don't, with the same weight of shot, and the same with fibre. I try and use a box of shells of a particular make before buying large quantities. I have some Hull soverign that I find really sweet to shoot with where eley vip's are a bit savage on the shoulder, both are fibre and of the same shot weight and size. ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 I tried some Express supremes when we shot at lakenheath the other weekend and after about 25 on sporting and a round of skeet my shoulder was killing me. Obviously being manly I didn't say anything and carried on regardless. I normally use Express World Cup with no problems at all, Although I have noticed that my new batch has been changed but if there is a difference remians to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 where eley vip's are a bit savage on the shoulder. FT, I use Eley VIP's 32gram in 6's and have no problem at all with them through either my O/U or my S/B/S. I also use the Eley HB Pigeon, which are a fibre Wad cartridge and haven't noticed any problems there. The only cartridges I use with Plastic wads in are for Clay shooting again Eleys in Olympic Blues 28 gram and Eley Firsts 28 gram, and Wildfowling with Steel Shot in 3.5" Mag 56 gram BB's. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 eley vip's are a bit savage on the shoulder. I hope not, I have just bought a 1,000 of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 I have never found any Eley cartridge to be hard on the shoulder, they have always been exactly the opposite. They always give the impression to me as being soft hitting and I never seem to be able to break long range birds with them. Some of the first Non toxic that I used were Eley Maximum in bismuth and to be honest they put me off Bismuth for life. You could watch the shot ruffle the feathers of the duck as they carried on flying. I had reasonable success with Eley Superb clay cartridges but had trouble getting them. I now just stick to Express (*****) all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 eley vip's are a bit savage on the shoulder. I hope not, I have just bought a 1,000 of those Stuart, I have the 32g x 5 VIP's and I find they are much more pokey on the shoulder than the Hull soverigns of the same load. I do not say that they kill any better because I do not think they do! Martin, I agree wholeheartedly with you, I will not use Bismuth!!!!!!!!! I think it is overpriced rubbish that will not do the job adequately. ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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