Bobba Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 A guy I shoot with from time to time has a Beretta A400 20 bore with kick off. I used it the other day and for me the recoil reduction was impressive. By comparison, my 20 bore Miroku has a kick eezee pad but still gives a bit of a thump. The after effect on my shoulder after a good day out is begining to become a little tiresome as I get older (72 yrs) and I was thinking about maybe having a recoil reduction / kick off system installed on my Miroku. i like the gun, can't afford a third gun, and am not a lover of semi's (each to his/her own) so I do not wish to go down the part-ex route. (Although I may have to consider selling my little used 20 bore Beretta SP to fund things) Does any PW member have any relevant experience of fitting and using recoil reduction / kick off systems? Which ones? e.g. I've googled systems like Danuser and Gracoil. Costs and benefits / disbenefits. Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 A guy I shoot with from time to time has a Beretta A400 20 bore with kick off. I used it the other day and for me the recoil reduction was impressive. By comparison, my 20 bore Miroku has a kick eezee pad but still gives a bit of a thump. The after effect on my shoulder after a good day out is begining to become a little tiresome as I get older (72 yrs) and I was thinking about maybe having a recoil reduction / kick off system installed on my Miroku. i like the gun, can't afford a third gun, and am not a lover of semi's (each to his/her own) so I do not wish to go down the part-ex route. (Although I may have to consider selling my little used 20 bore Beretta SP to fund things) Does any PW member have any relevant experience of fitting and using recoil reduction / kick off systems? Which ones? e.g. I've googled systems like Danuser and Gracoil. Costs and benefits / disbenefits. Many thanks. I have the ISIS system fitted to my Zabala Canardier double discharge.It makes a huge difference. I can comfortably fire 2 1/4 oz (2 X 32gr ) in a tea shirt . High flighting pigeon really appreciate it. There was s second hand one for sale on here yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a303 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Given it was a gas auto and a 20b it's bound to feel a lot lighter in recoil. I added a kick off to a 391 beretta and after a very good day on pigeons my shoulder no longer aches. Although the extra gun movement does take a bit of getting used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Given it was a gas auto and a 20b it's bound to feel a lot lighter in recoil. I added a kick off to a 391 beretta and after a very good day on pigeons my shoulder no longer aches. Although the extra gun movement does take a bit of getting used to. Hi a303 Which Kick off did you put on your Beretta please? Thanks. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 OP, I presume you have tried the lighter loads available these days?some of the 21-24g cartridges are so mild on the shoulder...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Change your guns diet. Shoot low weight subsonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a303 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Bought a kick off stock set for a extrema 2 off GMK. It fits the AL391 urika and teknys with 5 mins work and works very well. Only bought it as I fancied trying a kick off stock and I didn't want to knacker the standard wood taking it pigeon shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Speak to Simon at Doveridge gun repairs, 07816 918301 He will talk you through the process and the posting details, The Gracoil system he fits, is superb Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Have used the Isis recoil system for three years on a pair of side by sides. Absolutely brilliant. Fired 300 cartridges on a partridge day last year without a mark on me; no soreness, no stiffness. Dave Izzard gives great customer service as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted September 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Gentlemen, thank you for your inputs. Food for thought. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I've got this one up for sale. It's advertised on here and I regularly shoot 150 clays a day with no problems on the shoulder. Got it when I started as the gun I used to have was a bit harsh on the recoil, this is lovely!!!! Price on the advert is negotiable and I might even take something in part ex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 A better one of the stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Just a thought but have you tried using cartridges fitted with the Gordon Recoil System? They reduce recoil appreciably without any changes needed to the gun. Just Cartridges have their own brand using these (Extrene Game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Is it April already ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Speak to Simon at Doveridge gun repairs, 07816 918301 He will talk you through the process and the posting details, The Gracoil system he fits, is superb Paul ive just purchased an MK38 from premier guns that has a gracoil system fitted... makes hull superfasts feel like 21gram carts. excellent bit of kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Nigel Teague put me in touch with Jim Spalding, who makes and fits recoil systems. Jim was kind enough to spend a considerable tiime exploring the possibility of fitting a system to my Miroku 20 bore. Sadly, fo me, a complete rethink is necessary. It would appear that 20 bore stocks being thinner than 12 bore stocks means that the amount of timber to be cut from within the stock to fit the system would leave the Miroku 20 bore stock in too delicate a position. If such systems are fitted to the to the Beretta a400 I am wondering if it can be fitted to my 20 bore SPigeon. Update. Just spoke to GMK. A retro fit to my 20 bore SP is not possible. Grrrrrr. Back to the drawing board. Edited September 18, 2015 by Bobba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 ISIS Xpad if the full recoil system won't fit? Just in case it helps, I have the full ISIS system on my side by sides, the stocks of which are pretty delicate. Might be worth a chat with Malcolm Jenkins - telephone number is 01582 564496. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Again, to all suggestions, thank you. A great thing about PW is the willingness of colleagues to offer suggestions from their experiences. Will look at Isis. Also I am thinking of talking to GMK again to see if an a400 20 bore stock with kickoff can be engineered into a 20 bore SP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 ive just purchased an MK38 from premier guns that has a gracoil system fitted... makes hull superfasts feel like 21gram carts. excellent bit of kit. Much cheaper to just use 21g carts............... Try an Isis XPad much better than kickeeze. I have one on a 12 Miroku 3800, suggest you try DEnnis at UK gun repairs in Wellington Somerset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Much cheaper to just use 21g carts............... Try an Isis XPad much better than kickeeze. I have one on a 12 Miroku 3800, suggest you try DEnnis at UK gun repairs in Wellington Somerset Haha! Cheaper, yes. But not as good... In fairness, i didnt buy it for the gracoil setup. It just happened to be a good price. Lol Totally agree about talking to dennis. Cracking guy and knows his stuff (plus he drives an amazing car...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Totally agree about talking to dennis. Cracking guy and knows his stuff (plus he drives an amazing car...) He still got the Audi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 He still got the Audi? he did back in may, that was the last time I saw him. those things are absolute rocket ships! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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