-ben- Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I usually just shoot geese and stick to game bore 42g bb's but Ive got a piece of land I can shoot both geese and duck and don't want to switch between 2 cartridges would eley lightning 36g 3s be to much for duck and to little for geese? Thanks Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Depends on what sort of range the geese are likely to be , if they are low the 3s will be ok and certainly not too much for duck . For a duel purpose load I would prefer the eley lightnings in 1s or ideally a decent cartridge in a 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott.J.Drew Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) 36g #3 are the only cartridge I use for ducks. And I've had 4 Canada's so far this season with them. All stone dead out to 40-45 yards. I would be confident of a kill every time with them on geese. Just keep the rang sensible. ATB Edited September 18, 2015 by Elliott.J.Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ben- Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 They will be close depends how late I leave them but still want something that will give me a little range like 40 yards for the geese I've got a load of 36 1s but I thought the pattern will be abut patchy for duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widgeon man Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 1's work fine in 36 gram loads, plenty of teal have been shot with that load by me when it's what was in the gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 30 yards for 36 grm of number 3 on geese. Sure you can drop some dead in the air further but its generally the fluke of a lucky strike- most will come down as wounders if you stretch that 30 yards much. The goal should always be dead in the air or wild goose chase takes on a whole new meaning, if that don't bother a guy he should perhaps hang up his guns 36 grm of number 1 gamebore is what I will be using this weekend for a duck and goose flight. The number 2 Remington nitro are even better but I cant get them locally now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m greeny Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 45 yards is a long way there's no way I would shoot 36 gram 3s at geese that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ben- Posted September 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 The killed at that range had the odd one that needed a second shot but I get that with the 42s as well it's not the cartridge not killing them its me not putting it quite in the right place. But defiently would not use them for a specific goose cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I have kiled quite a few greylag with Gamebore 36gr no 3s while duck shooting. Most have been in the 30-40 yards range bracket with one or two a little further. No 3 in steel is not the size of my choice for geese. I would rather use BB or BBB, but it can work. However what I have found is while the no3s knock the goose down many are not dead , though almost all are unable to move or attempt to escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I have kiled quite a few greylag with Gamebore 36gr no 3s while duck shooting. Most have been in the 30-40 yards range bracket with one or two a little further. No 3 in steel is not the size of my choice for geese. I would rather use BB or BBB, but it can work. However what I have found is while the no3s knock the goose down many are not dead , though almost all are unable to move or attempt to escape. just southern softy geese that is! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superspark Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I will usualy pop in a 36g 1 for ducks with 2x 42g three and half inch bb behind it in my semi auto. If a goose then flies in range a quick pull on the ejector pops in a bb ready in a second, simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Very little difference on the plate buddy - just fill it with the 36 grm number 1. I am after testing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Steel in 4mm is very effective on geese , should be fine for your first shot. My mate swears they will do pinks up to 60 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Steel in 4mm is very effective on geese , should be fine for your first shot. My mate swears they will do pinks up to 60 yards. Sssssssh don't let Kent hear you saying that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Steel in 4mm is very effective on geese , should be fine for your first shot. My mate swears they will do pinks up to 60 yards. +1 on the 4mm and the range don"t know about what it dose to the pinks thou lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Sssssssh don't let Kent hear you saying that Quite I so hate to see birds that need thier necks breaking Dead in the air should always be the plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Quite I so hate to see birds that need thier necks breaking Dead in the air should always be the plan I plan to kill every bird I shoot at at 50 yards , no doubt you plan to kill everyone you shoot at at 35 yards , I would still wager you have broken your share of necks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Best laid plans and all that! We all know which has the greatest instant death potential though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) I am not so sure as to the importange of patten or pertration tests compared to field experiance ( I have patterned cartridges that were pretty awful and yet they killed well in the field ) so I am carrying out my own personel survey on the effectivness on the shells I use this season. It would be interesting if a few ohers did the same and we see what the results are at the end of the season. Unfortunetly the spread sheet comes up as a jumbles mess on here but below are the spread sheet fields. Date Site Species Total cartridges Brand cartridges shot type - Steel ITM Bismuth Shot size Load no of shots day% ave % pick up lost birds range meters <20 <30 <40 <50 <60 At the moment though only 6 duck have been shot ( all with gamebore Mammoths 36 gr no 3 loads at ranges between 30 and 50m the average is 60 % with all birds picked.) I have also included a few optional fields such as weather - wind . do we shoot better in still or windy days. I know I shoot a lot better at pigeons when there is no wind. Temperature. With modern cartridges this should not be an issue , but a few years ago after leaving shells in a car in - 14C temperatures they failed to kill outright any birds until I changed to my spares ( that had been kept overnight in a warm room and then in an inside pocket ) when I killed 5 duck. It would be best to keep the sites private , but shooting inland or on the coast might be an issue for novice fowlers and some struggle with range estimation on the foreshore with no close landmarks. So an field for inland or Coastal or perhaps morning\evening \moon or tide flight. Edited September 21, 2015 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 In fairness remember when basc had the guess the range of the pigeon at the gamefair a few years back? Guesses were awfully bad. I pace out my furthest decoy then make some extra allowance for the hypotenuse. Within the given window I see stuff in range beyond its let be unless it's wounded and yes it still happens just like nobody hits every one Have yet to see a fowler with a spotter with rangefinder in hand calling the dope out. I am very sure one guys 60 yards is likely 35 or 40. One thing I know for sure is gamebore 3 shot in thier mammoth I can pattern just great with and can also connect well with beyond the range at which the shot holds enough energy to kill with certainty Birds are well hit you can see this but recover quickly often being basically knocked out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 In fairness remember when basc had the guess the range of the pigeon at the gamefair a few years back? Guesses were awfully bad. I pace out my furthest decoy then make some extra allowance for the hypotenuse. Within the given window I see stuff in range beyond its let be unless it's wounded and yes it still happens just like nobody hits every one Have yet to see a fowler with a spotter with rangefinder in hand calling the dope out. I am very sure one guys 60 yards is likely 35 or 40. One thing I know for sure is gamebore 3 shot in thier mammoth I can pattern just great with and can also connect well with beyond the range at which the shot holds enough energy to kill with certainty Birds are well hit you can see this but recover quickly often being basically knocked out So do you knowingly shoot at birds that are out of range to knock them out or is it misjudgement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 So do you knowingly shoot at birds that are out of range to knock them out or is it misjudgement? No I read some stuff about the ranges others claimed good rates at patterned them with fancy new chokes and got very acceptable prints. Hit plenty but killed few in the air and packed it in sharp as a bad plan Perhaps those using the same shells as me do something special to make the shot hit harder or perhaps someone is a bit off with thier range estimates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 I was only jesting really Kent. We all make the odd mistake , and after all you have to find out for yourself sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi786 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 I have kiled quite a few greylag with Gamebore 36gr no 3s while duck shooting. Most have been in the 30-40 yards range bracket with one or two a little further. No 3 in steel is not the size of my choice for geese. I would rather use BB or BBB, but it can work. However what I have found is while the no3s knock the goose down many are not dead , though almost all are unable to move or attempt to escape. agree with you, bought 3's 36g xpress, wont be buying again, did mistake and bought quite few. Shot few geese, as you mentioned they did knock them down but most of them were alive had to put another shot to put them down. Think around 46g + bb/2's be best for geese...? that is what am thinking to buy in near future as am left with couple boxes of 3's now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Ounce and a quarter No 1 are the way to go for geese in steel, will kill cleanly to 50 yards, maybe a yard or two further. BB's lose pattern at about 45 - 47 yards or thereabouts even with a 42g load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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