achosenman Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I see you fell for the old rational thinking trap They wont let that stop them. They have dreams of a legal gun possession free utopia. They want the whole sausage, even one slice at a time. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I see you fell for the old rational thinking trap They wont let that stop them. They have dreams of a legal gun possession free utopia. They want the whole sausage, even one slice at a time. Atb Great Britain, the land of the legally disaffected and the criminally unaffected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I see you fell for the old rational thinking trap They wont let that stop them. They have dreams of a legal gun possession free utopia. They want the whole sausage, even one slice at a time. Atb I'm not really sure what 'trap' I'm supposed to have fallen for, but I agree on your second point. 'They' can ban anything they have an inkling to ban, but without knowing who owns them how do they ensure they are handed in, or enforce a ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) The little winking fella didn't give you clue then...you know, tongue firmly in cheek? Atb Edited November 25, 2015 by achosenman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Ah, with you......I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Links in text to leave feedback to the EU about the proposal: https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/2015-news/European-Commission-gun-ban-open-poll-lies/ Edited November 25, 2015 by londonercsecse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I see you fell for the old rational thinking trap They wont let that stop them. They have dreams of a legal gun possession free utopia. They want the whole sausage, even one slice at a time. Atb Sadly have to agree, it's like a rat nibbling a biscuit? One day all gone? ? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Links in text to leave feedback to the EU about the proposal: https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/2015-news/European-Commission-gun-ban-open-poll-lies/ This is what I wrote, not that it will make a spit of difference, fox hunting ban taught me that the illusion of democracy was now absolute. We're only free to do what they tell us. The EU Commission is the worst of these authoritarian, dictatorial organisations. Essentially, I don't believe that any protestations from the shooting organisations or wider shooting community will have any effect at all. I think their minds are already set in stone. "I would like to know why the European Commission believes that further restrictions on legitimate, lawful and law-abiding member citizens on the use of firearms, associated parts and materials will in any way safe guard the member states from further terrorist attacks? The recent attacks in France did not make use of lawfully owned firearms, and none of these proposals would have prevented these awful attacks taking place. Here in the UK there is already a robust and extremely thorough process in place to vet and assess firearms applicants. The proposals would not strengthen this in any form, rather, they would place additional administrative burdens on the licensing authorities, the retail trade, legitimate and law-abiding citizens and medical services. In addition, these extremely draconian proposals could in fact lead to the total collapse of the shooting industry here in the UK, with the loss of tens of thousands of jobs not to mention the contribution that shooting makes to the UK economy (http://www.shootingfacts.co.uk). The proposals for the banning or licensing of blank firing guns is also ill-considered. As a trainer of gun and working dogs I use a blank firing pistol daily. It is already bright orange, it cannot possibly be misidentified as a firearm, nor could it be misused for any illegal purpose. Currently I don't require this to be licensed for use and the blank firing ammunition is affordable and easily accessed. What benefit is there from placing restrictions on it's availability and cost? Do those with lethal intent use blank firing starter pistols in their attacks? In regard to the sharing of data regarding those who own firearms I am also deeply dissatisfied. Unfortunately, this simply creates a greater opportunity for data breaches and for that data to fall into the hands of criminals. Currently the system here in the UK is regionally based, data is not shared between neighbouring Police authorities. This by default creates a more secure system where data breaches can be ring fenced and contained, not that this has ever happened. Do I trust the EU to share and store my data securely? Categorically, no. Would this prevent a repeat of the dreadful attacks that have recently happened in France or formerly, the UK and London? Categorically, no. Could this in fact lead to criminals and terrorists knowing exactly where to source firearms for lethal intent? Categorically, yes. What purpose do the 'common criteria' proposals serve? As far as I'm aware it is known that simply filing off or otherwise masking any marks or stamps on firearms is ineffective in masking the source of that item. Forensic tests can readily identify serial numbers where they have been removed as the current stampings create sub-surface marks deep into metal which can still be read long after the surface marks have been removed. The EU commission would be better to exhaustively examine the obvious flaws in border controls, immigration and concentrate on preventing the influx of illegal weapons into the European Union from Eastern Europe and the Middle East and to prevent these clear lapses in security from taking place again. This all seems like knee-jerk, ill-considered reactions to recent tragic events solely aimed at some of the most law-abiding citizens in society. I would request that you reconsider these proposals before creating the conditions for the collapse of the shooting industry and further restricting the rights of EU citizens to enjoy legitimate, lawful and beneficial shooting sports." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I think the days of compensation are over. They will just outlaw them, and you will just hand it over. The ill informed sheeple need protection from the likes of us. Everyone knows that all gun owners are sociopathic axe murders, just waiting for the right moment &&0 Atb Would they not be better off outlawing axes then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well said mick miller! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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